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In reply to the discussion: Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer. [View all]HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)84. bush had direct financial ties to the financial angel of the nazi party. kennedy had no revealed
financial ties to any nazi entity.
he was reportedly anti-semitic & ran with the 'cliveden set' while he was us ambassador.
not sure why funding the party is not equivalent to 'sympathy,' or why funding it without having 'sympathy' is less culpable than funding it with 'sympathy'.
No further action was ever taken nor was the investigation continued, despite the fact UBC was caught red-handed operating a American shell company for the Thyssen family eight months after America had entered the war and that this was the bank that had partly financed Hitler's rise to power.
The most tantalising part of the story remains shrouded in mystery: the connection, if any, between Prescott Bush, Thyssen, Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC) and Auschwitz.
Thyssen's partner in United Steel Works, which had coal mines and steel plants across the region, was Friedrich Flick, another steel magnate who also owned part of IG Farben, the powerful German chemical company.
The US National Archive documents show that BBH's involvement with CSSC was more than simply holding the shares in the mid-1930s. Bush's friend and fellow "bonesman" Knight Woolley, another partner at BBH, wrote to Averill Harriman in January 1933 warning of problems with CSSC after the Poles started their drive to nationalise the plant. "The Consolidated Silesian Steel Company situation has become increasingly complicated, and I have accordingly brought in Sullivan and Cromwell, in order to be sure that our interests are protected," wrote Knight. "After studying the situation Foster Dulles is insisting that their man in Berlin get into the picture and obtain the information which the directors here should have. You will recall that Foster is a director and he is particularly anxious to be certain that there is no liability attaching to the American directors."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
The most tantalising part of the story remains shrouded in mystery: the connection, if any, between Prescott Bush, Thyssen, Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC) and Auschwitz.
Thyssen's partner in United Steel Works, which had coal mines and steel plants across the region, was Friedrich Flick, another steel magnate who also owned part of IG Farben, the powerful German chemical company.
The US National Archive documents show that BBH's involvement with CSSC was more than simply holding the shares in the mid-1930s. Bush's friend and fellow "bonesman" Knight Woolley, another partner at BBH, wrote to Averill Harriman in January 1933 warning of problems with CSSC after the Poles started their drive to nationalise the plant. "The Consolidated Silesian Steel Company situation has become increasingly complicated, and I have accordingly brought in Sullivan and Cromwell, in order to be sure that our interests are protected," wrote Knight. "After studying the situation Foster Dulles is insisting that their man in Berlin get into the picture and obtain the information which the directors here should have. You will recall that Foster is a director and he is particularly anxious to be certain that there is no liability attaching to the American directors."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
There is also some debate about kennedy's purported 'sympathy' with the nazis. at least one of his biographers says it ain't so:
http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/01/09/david-nasaw-author-of-the-patriarch
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Oh noes! A "Bush defender" and a "racist"! Why has that DUer not been banned?????? (nt)
Nye Bevan
Jun 2013
#14
Perhaps because there are still enough people on DU who believe in freedom of speech?
panzerfaust
Jun 2013
#54
Well thank the gods you didn't try to defend Ron Paul who has killed and tortured tens of thousands
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#31
So you are saying that as long as an accusation is aimed at Thatcher or the Bushes
treestar
Jun 2013
#65
Nye Bevan (the DUer, not the man) wrongly said that Thatcher didn't support illegal wars
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#66
It's the same thing with DUers who have "dem" and "liberal" and "leftist" and "Obama"
Occulus
Jun 2013
#99
"According to journalist Joe Conason, Prescott Bush's involvement with UBC was purely commercial"
Swagman
Jun 2013
#43
Bush continued as director of several NAZI front companies even after we were at war with Germany
panzerfaust
Jun 2013
#48
your source rense.com is on the most extreme end of batshit crazy, crackpot conspiracy theorist site
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#121
Because the use of cliched falsehoods that have been debunked multiple times bores me (nt)
Nye Bevan
Jun 2013
#6
Actually, the article EM provides debunks the "P. Bush is a Nazi", as well.
Behind the Aegis
Jun 2013
#12
that's true he was not. One can despise the Bush family or some of the Bush family without making
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#3
FFS, his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act
Electric Monk
Jun 2013
#8
I guess one can climb up on a cross for accuracy but do keep in mind that
TheKentuckian
Jun 2013
#74
This thread was tweaking my jaw until I got to your post which provides clarity.
reusrename
Jun 2013
#87
bush had direct financial ties to the financial angel of the nazi party. kennedy had no revealed
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#84
what we see is the same sort of conspiracy theorist logic that proclaims Barack Hussein Obama
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#91
Well put and argued. I would go even further and say that false accusations
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#98
This is what happens when the community decides what's acceptable and the rules are so fluid.
Occulus
Jun 2013
#102
+1. I love people who stand up for facts even when they don't fit their world view.
cali
Jun 2013
#40
Oh, that's right. He only attempted a coup d'etat against FDR in the Business Plot.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#10
I think this escapade had a LOT to do with GHWB "going patriot" as young as he did
SoCalDem
Jun 2013
#77
i don't think his private beliefs matter; he helped fund the party & hide nazi assets. if he
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#85
the past is present. so 'only as history' is just crap. history is now; we are history.
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#86
it's not unusual at all, nor is it meaningless to the discussion. the present is the product of
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#114
Oh, is this thread in response to William Pitt's thread earlier quoting Hunter S Thompson?
Electric Monk
Jun 2013
#24
No wonder that set off the OP -- Thompson called out "the cowardly flag-suckers!"
villager
Jun 2013
#38
More interesting is the anti-Semitic site being used to "prove" the OP is false.
Behind the Aegis
Jun 2013
#37
harriman also did business with nazis and helped hide nazi assets. what difference do his private
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#89
I encourage everyone to thoroughly study the putrid history of the Bush family.
David__77
Jun 2013
#52
worse, he was a profiteer. and should have been charged under The Trading With The Enemy Act.
hobbit709
Jun 2013
#55
I've been sitting here reading this thread thinking "Where's Octafish when you need him?!!"
summerschild
Jun 2013
#118
well, i guess if the adl says so, we must believe. even though whatever his *beliefs,* he was
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#80
There is no connection between the american koch family and ilse koch whatsoever.
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#82
the american kochs came to the US from Netherlands in the 1880s. They're nothing to do
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#115
Doesn't negate the fact that George W Bush is a torturing and murdering war criminal who
Lint Head
Jun 2013
#90
Prescott Bush was charged with Trading With The Enemy and his assets were seized.
Zen Democrat
Jun 2013
#128