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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald's Latest - He is counter punching to great effect! [View all]Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)160. He supported a narrower ruling.
His (and the ACLU's) reasoning that limiting political speech by business corporations would also limit political speech of unions, Planned Parenthood, unions, the ACLU etc., because the political divisions of these organizations and near every other large liberal organization are incorporated.
The ACLU's position is thus:
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-and-citizens-united
At the same time, we recognize that the escalating cost of political campaigns may make it more difficult for some views to be heard, and that access to money often plays a significant role in determining who runs for office and who is elected.
In our view, the answer to that problem is to expand, not limit, the resources available for political advocacy. Thus, the ACLU supports a comprehensive and meaningful system of public financing that would help create a level playing field for every qualified candidate. We support carefully drawn disclosure rules. We support reasonable limits on campaign contributions and we support stricter enforcement of existing bans on coordination between candidates and super PACs.
In our view, the answer to that problem is to expand, not limit, the resources available for political advocacy. Thus, the ACLU supports a comprehensive and meaningful system of public financing that would help create a level playing field for every qualified candidate. We support carefully drawn disclosure rules. We support reasonable limits on campaign contributions and we support stricter enforcement of existing bans on coordination between candidates and super PACs.
And Greenwald's
(3) I don't disagree at all that the ability of the very rich to dominate political discourse is a huge problem. In fact, as I believe I wrote in that CU argument, I think it's one of the top 2 or 3 biggest problems the democracy faces, if not the biggest. So I'm not in favor of the status quo, where the rich dominate political debates with little opposition (that said, I think the effect of CU on this has been wildly overstated, given that the problem was hideous before, and the examples of CU's evil often cited - Sheldon Adelson and the parade of billionaires this year - were free to spend unlimited sums before CU: that case dealt only with restrictions on corporations and unions, not billionaires).
I just don't think that empowering the state to ban political speech is the right solution (given the dangers and costs involved). Instead, I strongly favor a system of robust public financing to even the playing field - a solution completely anathema to libertarians.
And a link article that he wrote shortly after the decision. Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with it more today than I did at the time.
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/22/citizens_united/
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Greenwald's Latest - He is counter punching to great effect! [View all]
Vinnie From Indy
Jun 2013
OP
I have always enjoyed your posts. Been meaning to say that for a while. Figured now was good.
DRoseDARs
Jun 2013
#124
So Sanchez likely didn't go to the previous intelligence briefings and she learned something.
randome
Jun 2013
#2
You are all over the map on this. On one hand you try to assure us that the NSA
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#10
You bring up a great point. We have no idea how much or how little influence the
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#42
I believe they are very limited as to what they can tell Congress. Secrecy and all that, you know. n
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#44
Damn, you got me in a corner. I dont have a better idea. This is going to get very sticky with
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#59
Your examples are exactly why I think the lies are an attempt to cover up something bigger.
HooptieWagon
Jun 2013
#114
They loved him when he was going after Bush. And that's why they hate him now, he points out the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#11
I definitely didn't love Greenwald when he said in his book he agreed with going to war in Iraq
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#21
That makes no sense. That 2006 book was about the Bush admin and it included scathing criticism.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#34
So, 3 books and millions of words against the Bush Admin are because he is overcompensating.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#73
I loved him even more for that. Someone who sincerely cared enough about his country to admit to
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#60
Wrong, so completely wrong I do not know where to start. Hillary Clinton knew about the real
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#139
That was a really lovely post, timdog. I made an OP about this and I'll reproduce it below.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#158
Never caught him in a lie and I've been reading him since he started. He has made mistakes
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#53
Do you have some backing, or does this get filed under "Internet Man Makes Baseless Claim"?
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#74
Well said. Sadly there are Democrats that yield to the comforting call of authoritarianism and the
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#47
Sometimes reality is tough to swallow. You cant force it. Whistle-blowers shake up those
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#97
So, what? He's not in office anymore and there is still massive surveillance...
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#112
Well, I agree that neither of them are the story, despite all the efforts to make them the story.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#69
I am getting confused. One one hand people are claiming that the spy programs only compile
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#51
If you are confused (which I doubt) it's because there's more than one thing going on.
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#56
Where does it say that this information is collected in the US without a warrant?
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#103
Greenwald works for the Guardian US which in incorporated in the US and has offices in NY City.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#108
You know, the largest one in the history of the planet, that Obama has expanded. That one.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#76
You know, I'm not faulting him for his efforts to expose how the government is wrong here
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#117