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In reply to the discussion: U.S. spy agency paper says fewer than 300 phone numbers closely scrutinized [View all]BeyondGeography
(41,195 posts)34. You're riding that Cnet story awfully hard, aren't you?
Obama shouldn't be implicitly trusted, but you should understand at least one thing about him by now: He does not ever shoot from the hip (well, ok, the Kamala Harris thing was shooting from the hip, but, you know).
So it's worth recalling what he specifically said the other day:
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: When it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to your telephone calls. Thats not what this programs about. As was indicated, what the intelligence community is doing is looking at phone numbers and durations of calls. They are not looking at peoples names, and theyre not looking at content. But by sifting through this so-called metadata, they may identify potential leads with respect to folks who might engage in terrorism. If these folksif the intelligence community then actually wants to listen to a phone call, theyve got to go back to a federal judge, just like they would in a criminal investigation. So, I want to be very clearsome of the hype that weve been hearing over the last day or sonobody is listening to the content of peoples phone calls.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/06/07/transcript-what-obama-said-on-nsa-controversy/
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/06/07/transcript-what-obama-said-on-nsa-controversy/
That's awfully clear to me, coming from a guy with a lot to lose if it's way off the mark, and one with a pretty damned good track record of avoiding mistakes with the language. Compare the President's straightforward statement with the Cnet article which could easily be read as Nadler and Mueller misunderstanding each other in a hearing, and contains no follow-up reporting post-hearing (i.e., no fresh statement from Nadler), and I hope you'll excuse some of us from jumping to conclusions.
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Eugene
Jun 2013
OP
Yeah Right - Keep On Believing That "No Taped Phone Calls" Part - I Now No Longer Trust Our Government
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#4
I do not believe the NSA said that. 'Nadler' said that & probably misunderstood what was said
Tx4obama
Jun 2013
#8
Bush wiretapped without a warrant and this was found to violate the FISA law. Obama did not.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#52
So We Are Told - With The Latest Revelations I Know Longer Trust Obama Or The Government
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#53
Yes, I agree Bush should have been. But there is not any illegal wiretapping under the Obama admin
Tx4obama
Jun 2013
#19
You Seem So Sure - Do You Speak For The Obama Administration - My Suspicions Are Raised
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#25
No Known Evidence - However, That Does Not Preclude The Possibility - Where There Is Smoke ....
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#27
Sounds like one of Darrell Issa's fishing expeditions - if ya keep looking ya 'might' find something
Tx4obama
Jun 2013
#30
Nope - Just A Well Honed Sensitivity To Being Lied To By Our Government - Over And Over ...
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#31
when the metadata is collected, and it is not by Greenwald's definition of 'direct access'.
Whisp
Jun 2013
#41
See comment #8. That is only what Nadler is saying - it's what he thinks he heard.
Tx4obama
Jun 2013
#9
You have no idea what I've chosen. I believe it is best to wait for 'correct' information.
Tx4obama
Jun 2013
#13
Yes, The Same Constitution And Bill Of Rights That Contains The 4th Amendment
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#39
Let's discuss how many different interpretations of the 4th Amendment there are...
DontTreadOnMe
Jun 2013
#40
When Nadler comes out & says he misunderstood what was said are you going to retract those links ?
Tx4obama
Jun 2013
#10
Maybe the discrepancy hinges on their definition of "searched for detailed information on calls".
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#20
"The unclassified paper was circulated" lol! Can we see the classified paper now?
Catherina
Jun 2013
#24
Interesting. That's just what I would EXPECT spooks to say... nothing to see here. Move along. n/t
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2013
#32