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Londoncalling

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321. If you give a gift to someone is it still yours?

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:37 PM

Feb 2012

Do you take it back if they say something you don't like or get angry with you?
She is 15 and trying to do her job which is school work. She is also doing her chores, she isn't refusing to do them. Plenty of wives make the same complaints about their husbands making the nice clean kitchen floor, dirty and not caring..online too..
What if she had lots of school work on that laptop, photos, music files which are all lost.

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Father teaches daughter a lesson about facebook... [View all] JSnuffy Feb 2012 OP

Edited: I posted this before I watched the video. Then I watched the video and posted downthread. Brickbat Feb 2012 #1

waaaaay too much. nt abelenkpe Feb 2012 #2

I like it... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #3

My first reaction was PatSeg Feb 2012 #92

Really? HuckleB Feb 2012 #248

Really? HuckleB Feb 2012 #249

You like the father proving his daughter right on youtube? HuckleB Feb 2012 #253

Yup...agreed... truebrit71 Feb 2012 #51

Yep. I can't believe some people are defending this. TheWraith Feb 2012 #140

+1 redqueen Feb 2012 #147

I agree, kids who are respected learn respect. "Automatic respect" is a contradiction in terms. TheWraith Feb 2012 #179

more proof that some people should never have or use guns lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #4

or have CHILDREN! elleng Feb 2012 #10

+1 ... rather than preventing contraceptives TBF Feb 2012 #216

I'm sort of empathising with the daughter. He sounds like an ass...n/t monmouth Feb 2012 #5

No 'sort of' here; he IS an ass. elleng Feb 2012 #11

Take the time to do a bit more research and less judging joeglow3 Feb 2012 #121

His BEHAVIOR in this case elleng Feb 2012 #122

Except the whole using a gun as an implied threat kind of thing. Zalatix Feb 2012 #124

Hogwash. HuckleB Feb 2012 #254

And an unimaginative one. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #32

That's what I thought. xmas74 Feb 2012 #221

You got it madokie Feb 2012 #34

Let me teach you a lesson, elleng Feb 2012 #6

Yeah, that's not going to turn out well jsmirman Feb 2012 #7

He better hope he doesn't live long enough to need her to help him.. Fumesucker Feb 2012 #8

Damn right! elleng Feb 2012 #16

Meh... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #17

Been there.. Fumesucker Feb 2012 #28

Post a follow up butterfly77 Feb 2012 #156

Too much? These are the actions of a crazy person. MrSlayer Feb 2012 #9

Yes elleng Feb 2012 #12

That dad is PSYCHO. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #13

Jeez, now we know why conservatives are so mental. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #14

Too much? SERIOUSLY?? Of course it was too much!! renie408 Feb 2012 #15

Or leave Windows on it. It'll eventually Zalatix Feb 2012 #126

Finally - someone with a sense of humor in this thread! tortoise1956 Feb 2012 #262

Yes the wife is a dick davidpdx Feb 2012 #274

It was her laptop, not theirs obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #298

I seriously, seriously doubt that that's the daughter's laptop. Brickbat Feb 2012 #18

true, everyone can be Hollywood on the intertubes Whisp Feb 2012 #50

Unfortunately, all the idiots who love to punish their kids because they're too lazy to parent... HuckleB Feb 2012 #255

I think we may have a clue where the daughter's attitude comes from JHB Feb 2012 #19

+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Feb 2012 #256

Sounds like bullshit, frankly. nt bemildred Feb 2012 #20

Why am I supposed to believe that was real? (not that... TreasonousBastard Feb 2012 #21

I dont think its real either n/t sammytko Feb 2012 #68

It strikes me as real. He acted just like I do when I'm spittin' mad... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #281

What a moron and he should have his firearms..... Bonhomme Richard Feb 2012 #22

Agreed ...this guy should not be allowed to own a gun. L0oniX Feb 2012 #89

Yeah well.... Clames Feb 2012 #285

is this guy a judge from texas? iemitsu Feb 2012 #23

NC, actually Terra Alta Feb 2012 #241

He is reaping exactly what he sowed Major Nikon Feb 2012 #24

+1 redqueen Feb 2012 #104

I have never lost my temper with my kids... meaculpa2011 Feb 2012 #130

Losing your temper is not necessarily the problem Major Nikon Feb 2012 #139

too much. Liberal_in_LA Feb 2012 #25

yeah, he's so much more mature than his daughter. pepperbear Feb 2012 #26

Even THINKING of using a gun in this situation is disturbing Canuckistanian Feb 2012 #27

Thats what I'm trying to figure out... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #30

Both, IMO JHB Feb 2012 #61

what if he could carry concealed and had it on him and loaded? whoohoo Feb 2012 #171

Father needs to grow up. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #29

The only lesson he taught her was Shankapotomus Feb 2012 #31

That was pretty stupid qanda Feb 2012 #33

Remember: Guns are the best way to solve a problem! FSogol Feb 2012 #35

When the daughter is upset with her father ... surrealAmerican Feb 2012 #36

+1 LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #192

Exactly. nt TBF Feb 2012 #196

This guy is mental and I wouldn't be surprise if this guy is mentally abusing the girl if not Justice wanted Feb 2012 #37

His laptop johnnie Feb 2012 #38

Griping about your parents is pretty much SOP with teenagers. Dad really took this too far. Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #44

I was taught to show respect to my elders when I was young johnnie Feb 2012 #46

She didn't do it to his face. She did it where she expected it to only be seen by friends. Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #49

I hope she learned one of the first things anyone should know about the Internet: Brickbat Feb 2012 #52

I was a HUGE trash-talker as a teen... PassingFair Feb 2012 #57

I griped a lot about my parents johnnie Feb 2012 #63

we do not expect childish behavior from adults... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #71

"the father responded not in a mature, reasonable and teachable manner" johnnie Feb 2012 #76

To judge from some of the responses LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #197

I would've taken away the computer - but rather than reacting with violence TBF Feb 2012 #225

I imagine repressing our opinions of a thing... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #64

I take it you didn't watch the video johnnie Feb 2012 #69

However, we expect childish behavior from children LanternWaste Feb 2012 #72

Who is "we"? johnnie Feb 2012 #78

Yea, people were taught a lot of stupid shit when they were young. phleshdef Feb 2012 #102

So you didn't watch the video johnnie Feb 2012 #106

I damn well did watch it. If I were a violent person... phleshdef Feb 2012 #125

You were taught at (implied) gunpoint? Zalatix Feb 2012 #131

He used his gun on the laptop as a result of her actions johnnie Feb 2012 #132

Still just as wrong and insane Zalatix Feb 2012 #133

It was her laptop obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #299

Really? johnnie Feb 2012 #306

I think that's a shame you were taught that obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #307

Well, I was taught to earn what you get johnnie Feb 2012 #312

Did your father own your Wranglers too? Londoncalling Feb 2012 #316

Walk that logic through... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #326

Wonder how he will react to seeing her pregnant DNA testing a bunch of guys on Jerry Springer? Generic Other Feb 2012 #39

"Cause she can make him pay in ways he can't even imagine" Scout Feb 2012 #85

Not to get back at... because that is what he's teaching her to do. redqueen Feb 2012 #107

well, except for shooting the laptop (i'd have sold it) i don't think this guy did anything awful, Scout Feb 2012 #111

You don't think this video is likely indicative of the lack of actual parenting this guy has done? HuckleB Feb 2012 #265

You may be right but he's the adult and should try harder Generic Other Feb 2012 #289

The gun thing is disturbing--too much. I think the point of the video is that TwilightGardener Feb 2012 #40

Setting that kind of standard, no wonder his daughter is fucked up... Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #41

It sounds like dad is an ass who wants total and complete control of his daughter. Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #42

He has traits of Narcissism siligut Feb 2012 #113

Thanks for proving me right, daddy. Iggo Feb 2012 #43

Violent temper, rash reaction, gun...I think child welfare should investigate. WI_DEM Feb 2012 #45

Where did you get his "violent temper"? Brickbat Feb 2012 #53

sounds like a pretty violent reaction to me? but you can disagree if you want. WI_DEM Feb 2012 #58

Would it be OK if he shot YOUR laptop? PassingFair Feb 2012 #62

Do you need the word "violent" defined? NT EOTE Feb 2012 #75

I'd define 6 bullets into a laptop as violent. Zalatix Feb 2012 #134

If the father had simply put it in a garbage truck, would we be as upset? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #47

It would have been stupid and wasteful, but yet, the gun makes it worse. EOTE Feb 2012 #77

I shoot watermelons and oranges on my land all the time. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #87

Well, do you teach your daughter lessons by shooting her shit and posting it online? EOTE Feb 2012 #91

No, but my niece is a pretty good shot. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #94

Either way it's a waste. EOTE Feb 2012 #96

I disagree that shooting a laptop is reckless though. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #98

Any time a gun is discharged, there is a potential for injury or death. EOTE Feb 2012 #117

Why can't it be labeled as practice? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #119

Sure. Shooting at the ground, 5 feet away is practice. EOTE Feb 2012 #136

So it has to be a certain distance for it to be acceptable? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #137

Yes, it has to be at a certain distance for it to be acceptable. EOTE Feb 2012 #173

My mother once through a bucket of cold water on me while I slept. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #178

I remember some training I did last year... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #268

You'd have to be an idiot to think that shooting at a computer on the ground is target practice. EOTE Feb 2012 #330

But you're not angry. Straw Man Feb 2012 #263

Do you know what violent is? EOTE Feb 2012 #329

A $1000 laptop vs a $1 fruit? A fruit is bad enough, someone coulda eaten it Zalatix Feb 2012 #135

You can do whatever you want with your property. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #138

But it was her property, not his obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #300

Yes. The whole thing was psychologically abusive bullying. Period. phleshdef Feb 2012 #103

Does the attention-seeking publicity make it sick, sad, and possible diagnostic? HuckleB Feb 2012 #251

This message was self-deleted by its author Gold Metal Flake Feb 2012 #48

The more I read the reactions here, the more I think the outrage is triggered by the man's Brickbat Feb 2012 #54

I love the fact that he started out by telling his daughter not to call Linda a cleaning lady ever ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #56

When it started, my biases leapt right up, I'll admit it. I'm a total accent snob. Brickbat Feb 2012 #59

Spot on! Puglover Feb 2012 #142

Did you listen to the complaints? Would it be okay if his wife was complaining about the chores Londoncalling Feb 2012 #317

Linda is not her step mother. She is a friend of the family. If you watch the entire (unedited) ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #319

Maybe she did over dramatise Londoncalling Feb 2012 #323

You really can't tell "what he will do" because you don't really know him. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #324

Yup johnnie Feb 2012 #66

I'm southern and this was still the wrong way to handle it Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #67

I was not saying it's OK because he's southern. Brickbat Feb 2012 #74

Accent and the hat? No, cigarette and gun? Yep. EOTE Feb 2012 #80

I was raised not to engage in wrathful destruction. I'd think that anyone who destroys a machine... JVS Feb 2012 #163

Seems that way to me as well. I have no issue with this man's method of dealing with his daughter. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2012 #280

My husband took a sledgehammer to our daughter's cell phone. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #55

And you didn't find that disturbing? hamsterjill Feb 2012 #112

Nope. When you pay $400 twice ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #127

+1 my2sense Feb 2012 #291

He probably caught her calling for help. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #303

Yeah... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #314

What a JERK. PassingFair Feb 2012 #60

Father teaches daughter about what an asshole he is SoCalDem Feb 2012 #65

I think the father did the right thing Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #70

I thought all gun owners were very responsible! Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #73

I would have just Krazy glued all the keys down. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #79

That's an option Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #81

I could care less if this guy shoots up a laptop, but putting it on youtube is just in bad taste. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #86

Yea right all of "us" gun owners are just like this guy ....pffft L0oniX Feb 2012 #82

I made my point Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #88

Your point was understood however clouded by your seemingly anti gun meme aimed at "all" gun owners. L0oniX Feb 2012 #93

and this probably isnt the first time the daughter has pissed her parents off. whoohoo Feb 2012 #162

If this were a scene on a sitcom, I would laugh. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #83

This guy should not be allowed to own a gun. L0oniX Feb 2012 #84

Why? johnnie Feb 2012 #95

Improper use of a gun. L0oniX Feb 2012 #97

Shooting it at the ground? johnnie Feb 2012 #99

IMO destroying property is not a valid use of a gun. L0oniX Feb 2012 #109

There is nothing to discuss johnnie Feb 2012 #115

"It is against county law here to discharge a gun anywhere other than at a range." Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #118

I see him turning his weapon on something that has pissed him off JHB Feb 2012 #108

"impulse to shoot something" johnnie Feb 2012 #110

Hell, yes, an impulse. "Sudden urge" is not the only definition of the word JHB Feb 2012 #148

this wasnt a petulant diary entry. whoohoo Feb 2012 #165

It was a petulant diary entry on Facebook JHB Feb 2012 #194

+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Feb 2012 #296

This is extremely unsafe obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #301

He's an asshole. polly7 Feb 2012 #90

I thought I was the only one that get that point... Londoncalling Feb 2012 #318

Dad's kind of a douche but I guarantee you the kid won't forget that. Arkana Feb 2012 #100

That guy is smoking deaniac21 Feb 2012 #101

is smoking against the law? whoohoo Feb 2012 #166

NO deaniac21 Feb 2012 #331

also no safety googles KurtNYC Feb 2012 #279

That's deaniac21 Feb 2012 #332

He IS an asshole. hamsterjill Feb 2012 #105

"not in control of his own emotions" Great point. L0oniX Feb 2012 #114

I would love to see this girl live on her own. whoohoo Feb 2012 #168

The video is pretty one-sided. hamsterjill Feb 2012 #198

I'll bet you're right. rbnyc Feb 2012 #224

This guy is concerned about his reputation with his daughter's friends. siligut Feb 2012 #116

He raised her to be a brat graywarrior Feb 2012 #120

Plus cars are going by in the background. Swede Feb 2012 #123

NO shit! A HERETIC I AM Feb 2012 #252

google "death stray bullet" and get back to me. Swede Feb 2012 #284

I feel bad for her. Quantess Feb 2012 #128

I don't see how it can be legal DocMac Feb 2012 #129

Great video. former9thward Feb 2012 #141

I thought he was mad because she posted an angry rant about her parents, not for being lazy! Quantess Feb 2012 #143

She wanted to know why she had to work former9thward Feb 2012 #146

The daughter is struggling to keep up with her school work.. Londoncalling Feb 2012 #320

She is angry the "cleaning lady" isn't doing the work. former9thward Feb 2012 #322

watch the video in my post and you will see "how much work" she has to do whoohoo Feb 2012 #150

this guy is an ingorant asshole Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #144

This guy is an asshole. rbnyc Feb 2012 #145

soo all smokers are bad people? whoohoo Feb 2012 #151

OMFG rbnyc Feb 2012 #152

what does smoking have to do with anything? whoohoo Feb 2012 #154

I never used the word evil... rbnyc Feb 2012 #159

you are right, I did. whoohoo Feb 2012 #161

OK rbnyc Feb 2012 #174

for real? uhhh....no words. Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #232

WARNING! this is not the whole video!!! whoohoo Feb 2012 #149

He's a jerk and a showboat. Why would he make a video Liquorice Feb 2012 #155

maybe so he can show people how children act on the internet? whoohoo Feb 2012 #157

The thing is a good parent doesn't go public with Liquorice Feb 2012 #177

She should be put into the foster care system immediately. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #181

ya im sure she would get her wireless internet there as well. whoohoo Feb 2012 #183

im sure its not her property whoohoo Feb 2012 #182

It's her property obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #302

I'm with you. nt rbnyc Feb 2012 #214

her private thoughts??? TorchTheWitch Feb 2012 #273

Well Said. (n/t) Paladin Feb 2012 #276

I hadn't realized the clip in the OP... rbnyc Feb 2012 #210

parenting is the hardest job there is TorchTheWitch Feb 2012 #275

And now that HE has trashed HER all over Facebook... LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #153

It shows me that children do not respect their parents or what their parents do for them. whoohoo Feb 2012 #158

When your first reaction, in anger, is to get your gun LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #167

so when he said his daughter did the same thing 3 months prior to this one he must have grabbed his whoohoo Feb 2012 #169

I do not care what she did... LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #172

you pulled that "Mouth off and ill get my gun" right out of your ass whoohoo Feb 2012 #180

you pulled "he didnt point a gun at anyone or threaten anyones life" LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #184

I say yes. I shoot at things when i get pissed off to release anger. whoohoo Feb 2012 #185

Depends on how you define a target, I guess LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #187

how do we know he did this to scare her and make her fear him? whoohoo Feb 2012 #188

"Fixing YOUR computer for you"... LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #191

we dont know that for sure. whoohoo Feb 2012 #193

Now you're reaching. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #195

If you give a gift to someone is it still yours? Londoncalling Feb 2012 #321

He's an irresponsible parent. HuckleB Feb 2012 #264

He is an unsafe gun owner -- period obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #304

Why is an IT worker dressed like a cowboy? JVS Feb 2012 #160

had the day off? whoohoo Feb 2012 #170

Interesting. Do you dress up as anything when you have the day off? JVS Feb 2012 #266

As a note... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #176

what does this even have to do with anything? whoohoo Feb 2012 #189

A daughter teaches her father a thing or two about retirement homes L. Coyote Feb 2012 #164

haha right, as the video explains she doesnt have a job. whoohoo Feb 2012 #186

DAUGHTER IS LAZY! whoohoo Feb 2012 #175

What an a$$hole! Redstate Bluegirl Feb 2012 #190

"We have a cleaning lady. Her name is Linda." mainer Feb 2012 #199

Well the video I watched the dad went through her chores tammywammy Feb 2012 #202

She is a brat. rbnyc Feb 2012 #227

What kind of parent forces their kid to make coffee for them Son of Gob Feb 2012 #200

Is it such a hardship for the spoiled daughter to make her dad coffee? mainer Feb 2012 #201

Yeah, make your own fucking coffee Son of Gob Feb 2012 #203

My darling sons would've said, "sure, mom!" mainer Feb 2012 #206

Sure they would have Son of Gob Feb 2012 #208

They're now adults, and I couldn't ask for better sons. mainer Feb 2012 #211

I can see that Son of Gob Feb 2012 #223

Do you think this might be because LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #238

I can't tell if you are serious... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #222

You make or would make your kids brew coffee for you Son of Gob Feb 2012 #226

My kids... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #229

I don't know why they'd be digging ditches Son of Gob Feb 2012 #233

Check the part... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #234

Missed that part. Son of Gob Feb 2012 #235

Depends... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #237

And pour it for him obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #305

How is she spoiled? Son of Gob Feb 2012 #205

She doesn't do all the housework tammywammy Feb 2012 #220

Thats IT? beevul Feb 2012 #278

Scratch that other post... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #228

Heavens to Betsy! Son of Gob Feb 2012 #230

Off the top of my head, kiva Feb 2012 #287

This message was self-deleted by its author Son of Gob Feb 2012 #297

I don't think it's the make coffee thing that concerns me maxrandb Feb 2012 #215

You tell 'em. It'll teach her important job skills in the future. Zalatix Feb 2012 #309

I made coffee for my parents plenty of times tammywammy Feb 2012 #204

Were they handicapped? Son of Gob Feb 2012 #207

Maybe she just wanted to show her parents she loved them. mainer Feb 2012 #209

Well that's not the same as your parents demanding coffee Son of Gob Feb 2012 #213

No tammywammy Feb 2012 #212

I see nothing wrong with this girl having to do all the household chores Son of Gob Feb 2012 #219

Hope He Backed Up. Otherwise, she can probably sue him! jsmirman Feb 2012 #217

The daughter sounds like a future arrogant 1 percenter, frankly mainer Feb 2012 #218

so did that successfully get rid of the Facebook post? Enrique Feb 2012 #231

I imagine his campaign to publicly humiliate his daughter only spread said post. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #246

If a girl who is going on 16 complains about doing her own laundry Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #236

I couldn't have said it any better Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #242

All that tells me is that this father hasn't been a father. HuckleB Feb 2012 #258

I agree. There wasn't any love in his response. Quixote1818 Feb 2012 #261

There's the love of not letting this kid foul herself up! Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #272

How can anyone believe a guy who clearly wants big time attention for himself. HuckleB Feb 2012 #292

+1 redqueen Feb 2012 #286

Jeez - can't help but wonder where her feelings about her parents are originating Matariki Feb 2012 #239

Yeah, really. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #247

This happened in my county.. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #240

Exactly. HuckleB Feb 2012 #294

Too much what, crazy or stupid? 6000eliot Feb 2012 #243

Gawd Dam! Almost 250 posts, most all of them so judgmental about... TreasonousBastard Feb 2012 #244

There's A Huge Gulf Between "Thinking" And "Doing" When You're A Parent. Paladin Feb 2012 #269

I lived through raising a teenager.. Fumesucker Feb 2012 #270

Assuming that's real, what a pathetic excuse for a parent. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #245

+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Feb 2012 #250

This guy just made his daughter famous. HuckleB Feb 2012 #257

Would have liked to hear the words "You know we love you but..." At least once. Quixote1818 Feb 2012 #259

If you're posting such a pre-determined post it on youtube, you're showboating... HuckleB Feb 2012 #260

I woke up yesterday... meaculpa2011 Feb 2012 #267

No need to watch beyond the first minute or so. crim son Feb 2012 #271

Seems like these 2 need to talk calmly to each other sometime, face to face KurtNYC Feb 2012 #277

I'm on the Dad's side. Child services? He's done nothing wrong. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #283

He's done nothing wrong? HuckleB Feb 2012 #293

If you think this guy is nuts... Clames Feb 2012 #308

Hogwash. HuckleB Feb 2012 #311

Oh please... Clames Feb 2012 #313

Good post. What a spoiled little brat. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #282

There was a divorce in this family Generic Other Feb 2012 #290

It's the norm these days to get divorced. Dad was clearly ticked off about treatment to Mom Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #295

I have mixed feelings about this video. Beacool Feb 2012 #288

The guy is an ass and not deserving of his 15 minutes of fame. McCamy Taylor Feb 2012 #310

Will anyone check on her... Londoncalling Feb 2012 #315

Wasteful... He should've used cheap FMJ practice ammo instead of "$1 per shot" premium JHP ammo. OneTenthofOnePercent Feb 2012 #325

So true - but lessens the drama .... BOHICA12 Feb 2012 #328

How did I miss this post Omaha Steve Feb 2012 #327