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50. Einstein was never a 'hero'.

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:20 PM

Jun 2013

I don't recall anyone ever calling him a hero. Einstein was a great man with a miraculous mind. He never did anything heroic.

Thomas Edison was not a hero. The Wright brothers were not heroes. Thomas Jefferson was not a hero. If people are going to lump Snowden in with great minds, fine and dandy, but if you're going to put the 'hero' label on him, then put him up with other heroes and stop using Einstein.

Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr. were heroes. Snowden doesn't belong on the same bus. They didn't run.

I would have a lot more respect for Snowden if he hadn't run. To China of all places. If you're going to claim to be a martyr for humanity, you pick freakin' China for protection? Something smells. There are plenty of other countries that he could have chosen that wouldn't have given me a huge freakin' reason to doubt him. I'm a big fan of the people of China. Their government, not so much. Do you think China would be so welcoming if he had been one of their own and it was their own government he was 'exposing'?

I'm sorry, but there is serious doubt in my mind about his choices. He's a narcissist with his own agenda. I'm just curious to see what happens when China gets tired of him. The boy made some stupid decisions. I think he saw a golden calf and it's about to turn into nothing more than lead painted toy made in China.

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Schieffer Destroys Snowden: �I Don�t Remember Martin Luther King Jr. Or Rosa Parks Hiding In China� [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP

Still ad hominem. Deep13 Jun 2013 #1

And it hasn't been demonstrated that Snowden *IS* telling the truth. baldguy Jun 2013 #9

who cares? Isn't the important thing the subject itself: cali Jun 2013 #17

+1 freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #27

And I think Sieiffer recognizes timdog44 Jun 2013 #166

As Sabrina 1 stated in a very lengthy thread a couple days ago: HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #37

Who cares about the facts? baldguy Jun 2013 #39

Strawman. blackspade Jun 2013 #133

And equating Obama with Big Brother or the Stasi is....? baldguy Jun 2013 #183

And I did that where? blackspade Jun 2013 #247

No strawman. The NSA gets approval to listen in on people's emails and phone calls. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #193

So you say. blackspade Jun 2013 #249

Who cares if Snowden's information is true? WTF? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #59

It is important. kentuck Jun 2013 #79

+ infinity. Apophis Jun 2013 #81

I don't give a rip about any of the personalities involved. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #122

How about the COST? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #152

There is no surveillance without enough proof to get approval to survey. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #186

Really? Who in government said the docs were fake? DirkGently Jun 2013 #41

A phrase was grossly misinterpreted. And if you haven't heard that but HAVE heard they were fake KittyWampus Jun 2013 #61

No. It's been alleged a phrase didn't mean what it said. DirkGently Jun 2013 #63

You mean the phrase printed verbatim on the NSA DirkGently Jun 2013 #74

The focus on the girlfriend is quite telling Chathamization Jun 2013 #72

An exercise routine with a large male audience. Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #151

In India most of the performers are male Chathamization Jun 2013 #164

You missed the thread about the NSA's admission of listening to phone calls? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #125

Not without a warrant they didn't. baldguy Jun 2013 #253

You mean Bob Schieffer, George W. Bush's golfing buddy? Fuddnik Jun 2013 #38

Wow liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #44

That's kind of the point. Deep13 Jun 2013 #173

Drawing an accurate and relevant distinction is not an ad hominem attack. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #261

No, not an attack... Deep13 Jun 2013 #262

Einstein failed his entrance exams, ducked the draft, and fled his country. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #2

Why exactly is the guy being compared to MLK and Rosa Parks? ProSense Jun 2013 #8

Why does it bother you? I can see the connection. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #14

The OP still made no mention of Einstein. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #18

So? Scheiffer apparently thinks it a defect that Snowden fled the country. So, did Einstein. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #28

Yes, I get your drift but Einstein fled Nazi Germany. Are you implying we're on our way there too? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #140

what utter bullshit to compare Snowden with MLK and Parks. Whisp Jun 2013 #53

When did Snowden compare himself to Parks or King? Schlieffer did the comparing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #82

did I say Snowden did the comparing? Whisp Jun 2013 #84

Idiots like Schlieffer? How about Ellsberg? Gore? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #90

No, Idiots like Chris Hayes.. at least try to keep up. Cha Jun 2013 #132

Chris is too young to have his own program on MSNBC. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #219

From the outset there have been DUers who compared Snowden to Rosa Parks and MLK Hekate Jun 2013 #210

Off topic, but funny, I saw Chris Hayes starring in an old movie called "Slackers" on YouTube. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #143

Most of them are actors there at MSNBC. Whisp Jun 2013 #148

But, but, but...they're a different color and therefore must be diminished... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #220

Well to be fair, Snowden is an 'IT genius' according to his friend on Lawrence O'Donnell. randome Jun 2013 #15

I think they are trying to make the point that people without education can be brilliant treestar Jun 2013 #20

Yep. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #56

I agree totally treestar Jun 2013 #116

There has been a lot of study on education and conformity, particularly level of education. reusrename Jun 2013 #168

I HAVE seen him compared to Muhammad Ali here at DU VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #31

Exactly liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Apophis Jun 2013 #85

It's not that difficult to understand Bradical79 Jun 2013 #257

And Thank God Einstein did, otherwise history might have ended HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #49

Einstein was never a 'hero'. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #50

agree with your comments hopemountain Jun 2013 #145

Many people have called Einstein a hero for his accomplishments. So you don't know that. So what? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #182

Okay, you can call Einstein a hero. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #259

Actually, I can do whatever I want. And I do. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #263

Alrighty then. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #264

How disgusting of you. Einstein fled nazism. I can't believe anyone would compare bluestate10 Jun 2013 #194

So, Snowden gave up everything to call attention to government spying and you call it Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #202

The Nazis could only DREAM of the level of government spying this is about. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #216

OH yeah. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #251

Didn't keep MLK from being bugged by the government Fumesucker Jun 2013 #3

Well liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #46

I don't think King or Parks ever broke a law that could lead to life in prison CanonRay Jun 2013 #4

True that's a big difference treestar Jun 2013 #19

Snowden could get treated and tried depending on governments mood Babel_17 Jun 2013 #80

They won't charge him with Treason as he's not guilty of that treestar Jun 2013 #114

They could treat him as an enemy combatant Babel_17 Jun 2013 #130

How would he qualify as enemy combatant? treestar Jun 2013 #174

My bad, the administration did retire the term Babel_17 Jun 2013 #191

The enemy he's giving Aid and Comfort to SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #150

Huh? treestar Jun 2013 #175

The American people SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #187

That is silly treestar Jun 2013 #195

I thoroughly and profoundly disagree with Schieffer's smear tactics and despise the HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #55

MLK and Rosa Parks did a lot of things that were likely to get them killed... Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #135

and of course in the case of MLK he did get killed JI7 Jun 2013 #190

Eventually yes he was, but the circumstances of his actual assassination... Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #200

A black person that broke ANY law that upheld the notion of white supremacy was subject Number23 Jun 2013 #208

This ^^^^^ treestar Jun 2013 #227

I think Chris Hayes did that last week warrior1 Jun 2013 #5

MLK would have approved of what Snowden did, if MLK's anti-war HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #60

Now you speak for MLK? warrior1 Jun 2013 #98

On the contrary, the OP reports that Schieffer has HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #159

so you don't think MLK would warrior1 Jun 2013 #163

Unclear. MLK, Jr. eventually broke with LBJ over Vietnam, even though HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #165

MLK supported the poor and other people who needed his help. Are_grits_groceries Jun 2013 #172

MLK would have stood up for this country treestar Jun 2013 #228

MLK worked on the premise that only love could conquer hate (to quote a line HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #237

Apples and oranges. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #6

It seems a lot of people are trying to make this story about the leaker and not the spying. nt Incitatus Jun 2013 #7

Yep. Becoming more and more obvious to all. n/t Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #24

The story isn't about spying. Your ilk is desperately trying to make it so. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #199

"your ilk" = the non-naive Skittles Jun 2013 #245

Pay no attention to... 99Forever Jun 2013 #10

Exactly. Had he stayed here, it would be a different thing. treestar Jun 2013 #11

It sure would have been a different thing. zeemike Jun 2013 #120

This would be worse than what they did to Manning. reusrename Jun 2013 #171

Like the Julian accusations, this is baloney treestar Jun 2013 #177

What baloney treestar Jun 2013 #176

He says he's not done yet. reusrename Jun 2013 #178

Maybe, but then he should face the music treestar Jun 2013 #196

You don't have to be in the military to be sent to a federal prison. zeemike Jun 2013 #181

But your due process rights are much more extensive treestar Jun 2013 #198

Believe me they can step all over those rights zeemike Jun 2013 #206

The government needs ProSense's permission to do anything. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #211

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #12

I'm still ProSense Jun 2013 #16

sure, you're laughing. who do you think you're fooling? cali Jun 2013 #23

No, ProSense Jun 2013 #30

I agree. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #241

I also agree. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #265

Trying every trick possible to depress Democratic turnout Fumesucker Jun 2013 #21

. ProSense Jun 2013 #33

You are the one who literally is saying that facts don't matter. Unless they support your bias. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #65

For my money Josephine Baker and Paul Robeson were both heroes. Downwinder Jun 2013 #13

There is NO comparison. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #22

The Character Assassination Continues - Focus On The Oligarchs - Not The Whistle Blowers cantbeserious Jun 2013 #25

Where is the proof that he has any evidence at all of his claims VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #34

The Proof Is Found With Greenwald - The Man To Which He Gave The Documents cantbeserious Jun 2013 #36

and who has also not produced said documents... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #62

Your Disgust - My Cheers That Greenwald Has Them - We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2013 #64

Then why no outcry that Greenwald present his "facts" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #67

Greenwald Is A Journalist For Which I Have Higher Respect Than The US Government Or Obama cantbeserious Jun 2013 #70

He has to do something to get my respect....where are the documents Greenwald? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #73

My My - You Are Quite Angry - Is That Because You Now Realize That You Have Been Lied To cantbeserious Jun 2013 #83

No I don't "now realize" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #91

If You Want Confirmation That The Story Is Probably True Then Watch Nadler - Official Story Mismatch cantbeserious Jun 2013 #94

So anyone who makes this claim is a hero...just for making a claim VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #95

Ad Hominen Attack - Against The DU TOS cantbeserious Jun 2013 #97

Oh good grief.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #99

Ad Hominen Attack - Against The DU TOS VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #102

Your Character Or Person Was Never Attacked - So Does Not Apply cantbeserious Jun 2013 #106

that's your opinion... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #108

Once Again An Assumption That I Am Not A Patriot - Patriotism Is Not A One Size Fits All Proposition cantbeserious Jun 2013 #111

No I didn't imply that did I VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #119

Greenwald is a journalist mimi85 Jun 2013 #223

Undefined Term - Firebagger? - What Are You Talking About? cantbeserious Jun 2013 #232

That's a broad brush treestar Jun 2013 #231

Yes - Politicians Are Suspect By Definition - Corporations Expect Favors For Their Contributions cantbeserious Jun 2013 #233

journalists have to get published, maybe they cater to the big publishers treestar Jun 2013 #236

Expected And Predictable Reply - Truly Terrible Commentary On Modern Society cantbeserious Jun 2013 #250

Yup. Big Media has again joined the right wing chorus. Doctor_J Jun 2013 #26

I think we all know why MNBrewer Jun 2013 #29

He also rolls through yellow lights! DirkGently Jun 2013 #43

Breaking the law is a sign of impending anarchy!!! dairydog91 Jun 2013 #47

He is rumored to be a Whig! DirkGently Jun 2013 #87

Well, since Schieffer is a Know-Nothing, it all makes sense. (Sorry, just HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #104

Wow. Nicely done! DirkGently Jun 2013 #110

Thank you. That's what has been running through my brain... Wait Wut Jun 2013 #32

As far as I can remember about the MLK and Rosa Parks days they snappyturtle Jun 2013 #127

MLK, a black man protesting in the 1960s treestar Jun 2013 #234

Hey Bob! The NSA listened to your calls and read your emails. But HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #35

Your claim doesn't fit facts. The NSA doesn't listen to random conversations. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #203

My 'sensationalism'? I was engaging in a standard rhetorical device known as hyperbole, never HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #230

WTF? Iliyah Jun 2013 #40

should read "old establishment reporters career frustrated by HS drop out w/ a $2.00 walmart thumb galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #42

Hah! I had failed to see the possibility of journalistic envy in all this. Schieffer HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #68

LOL right on bahrbearian Jun 2013 #180

Ed Schultz made the same point concerning Snowden today. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #204

Schieffer Invokes Strawman Because That's Easier Than Journalism. Orsino Jun 2013 #48

Nonsense usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #51

Agreed, the hero thing is over the top. ucrdem Jun 2013 #52

As a reporter........... raindaddy Jun 2013 #54

Wish there were a way to rec replies - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #118

I quit reading after Scheifer called himself a reporter Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #57

Thanks. Completely agree. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #93

Very good point! Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #58

Not a right, a responsibility. Scuba Jun 2013 #71

I guess we've already forgotten about Manning's captivity Babel_17 Jun 2013 #66

Scheiffer must never have heard about what happened to MLK. Scuba Jun 2013 #69

Had it been a conspiracy,quite possible today's security could have prevented it graham4anything Jun 2013 #105

Rosa and Martin were heroes in a different way. kentuck Jun 2013 #75

What did those two leak? adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #76

Schieffer Destroys Snowden: �I Don�t Remember Martin Luther King Jr. Or Rosa Parks Hiding In China� The CCC Jun 2013 #77

I don't remember them being tortured in a military prison, either. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #78

Yeah because the government was hiding disparate treatment of black people. Lol. dkf Jun 2013 #86

You're pathetic. Apophis Jun 2013 #88

and after Snowden is ripped asunder atom by atom the dragnet surveillance (or worse) pink elephant TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #89

Pink elephant? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #215

I remember both of the being put in jail. rug Jun 2013 #92

so, Schieffer's a reporter? bigtree Jun 2013 #96

I do remember them jailing Rosa Parks and killing MLK The Second Stone Jun 2013 #100

President Johnson worked WITH Dr. King. Together in unison. graham4anything Jun 2013 #109

Agreed, but keep in mind King would often goad LBJ Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #218

Agreed. Maybe Obama will work with Snowden to stop the spying on america program Doctor_J Jun 2013 #269

Dr. King was proud of his name, proud of his cause, and fought against masks, he didn't wear one. nt graham4anything Jun 2013 #101

Oh, my head hurts now. That is one really dumb illogical argument. Zorra Jun 2013 #103

So! THIS week, anyway, Schieffer is off the shit list, LOL. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #107

Lol. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #112

The level of discussion is going downhill fast. Quantess Jun 2013 #113

Have to call bullshit on Schieffer and the post. Very Rovian. 20score Jun 2013 #115

Argumentum ad hominum, pure and simple. caseymoz Jun 2013 #117

Sure, Snowden should have stayed in this country and... TxGrandpa Jun 2013 #121

Manning was incommunicado now? sweetloukillbot Jun 2013 #184

You probably need to look up the meaning of "incommunicado". Just sayin'...... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #238

Both posts noted.... TxGrandpa Jun 2013 #268

MLK and Rosa Parks didn't face life in prison. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #123

WTH CARES what Bob "My Brother Was an Ambassador For Dubya" Schieffer says???? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #124

SCHIEFFER? ROFL. forestpath Jun 2013 #126

I agree, I don't see him and the other leakers of classified information as heroes. Beacool Jun 2013 #128

Snowden probably wouldn't want to be compared to those two, anyway, Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #129

Why is this relevant to the fact that the NSA has been spying without warrants? blackspade Jun 2013 #131

Who gives a shit? Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #134

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #136

Edward Snowden is not Rosa Parks or Dr. King . . . TomClash Jun 2013 #137

What the hell is ProSense Jun 2013 #141

You are attacking the messenger TomClash Jun 2013 #156

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #158

I don't know and don't care TomClash Jun 2013 #192

Not true. Some on DU made that comparison last week to defend Snowden. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #221

Reading is fundamental TomClash Jun 2013 #243

Nope. The idiot, Chris Hayes, was the first. Snowden is no MLK. nt Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #239

Maybe he is all too aware of the risks of whistle blowing. tblue37 Jun 2013 #138

at least he's not some creepy compulsive-prevaricator keyboard commando MisterP Jun 2013 #139

Bob the TV personality says... pangaia Jun 2013 #142

"Why exactly is the guy being compared to MLK and Rosa Parks?" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #144

I don't remember Martin Luther King Jr. or Rosa Parks being at risk of being executed for treason. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #146

No they weren't at risk of being executed for treason. They could only have been executed at bluestate10 Jun 2013 #222

And you won't be executed for treason either. You could be executed by a junkie looking for a fix! DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #240

Avoid false alternatives Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #147

"Letter from a Hong Kong hotel suite" Cha Jun 2013 #149

Yeah they're not facing the death penalty either Fearless Jun 2013 #153

and we all know what happened to Dr. King. nt NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #155

Snowden like MLK and Rosa Parks? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #157

That was Schieffer's interpretation burnodo Jun 2013 #162

Several people on DU made that claim last week. Schieffer was responding to such bluestate10 Jun 2013 #224

I disagree with that burnodo Jun 2013 #226

It is a bad analogy. Daniel Ellsberg would have been an appropriate one /nt still_one Jun 2013 #160

If Snowden had stayed in the US he would be smeared by exactly the same people smearing him now. dgauss Jun 2013 #161

Coward Scheifer would be calling MLK 'Uppity', if the president didnt like MLK markiv Jun 2013 #167

This comment makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #169

yes, it does nt markiv Jun 2013 #170

No it doesn't. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #225

yes, it does nt markiv Jun 2013 #244

The anti-Dems have hopped on the short bus...... DainBramaged Jun 2013 #256

Lol G_j Jun 2013 #179

And some right here on DU have compared the loser Snowden to bluestate10 Jun 2013 #185

Vapid on an epic scale... And the word "narcissistic" again. Bonobo Jun 2013 #188

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #189

Why does this hack still have a job? Why hasn't he been retired? nt DearHeart Jun 2013 #197

He appeals to the elderly nobodies who watch his show expecting the 1980's to appear. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #205

if read posts on here dlwickham Jun 2013 #201

Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were left wing. MLK was a christian communist. Your move ProSense Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #207

What a bizarre post. ProSense Jun 2013 #209

I assume you mean your OP? I agree. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #213

To quote Monty Python... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #214

Are you insane? nt treestar Jun 2013 #229

Nonsense..... Logical Jun 2013 #212

Re: MLK -- wouldn't the Berrigan Brothers be a better analogy? Plowshares movement. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #217

And how did that turn out for MLK? (nt) The Straight Story Jun 2013 #235

I think one of the differences between today's whistle blowers and those before is that today we jwirr Jun 2013 #242

I appreciate the point you are tomg Jun 2013 #254

Thank you for this answer. I have respected the COs in our past and would hope that we still have jwirr Jun 2013 #267

"They" shot MLK down in cold blood. bvar22 Jun 2013 #246

Say, how did MLK end up again? Marr Jun 2013 #248

As opposed to a narcissistic old man. The story is the not tsuki Jun 2013 #252

That's a pretty weak arguement Bradical79 Jun 2013 #255

Schieffer whoring for TPTB as usual... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #258

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #260

Rosa Parks planned for months to make a media spectacle Report1212 Jun 2013 #266

This is a bullshit argument. craigmatic Jun 2013 #270

ask John Lewis Enrique Aug 2013 #271