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scarletwoman

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49. Exactly. I don't give a rip about analyses of Snowden the person, they're totally beside the point.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jun 2013

Every conversation that focuses on Snowden instead of the massive infrastructure of the Surveillance State being built up all around us is a wasteful and dangerous diversion from the core issues that we ought to be discussing.

Furthermore, the word "hero" has been tossed around so casually for so many years that it has frankly lost all meaning.

Snowden DID perform a service by bringing up the subject of the Surveillance State in such a way that the passive, slumbering masses at least blinked their eyes for a moment and said, "huh?".

And of course, it's inevitable that the establishment/media complex would quickly rise to the occasion and bring the whole machinery of the system to bear on flogging the distraction that is the person of Snowden himself.

The key questions that need to be asked have nothing to do with Snowden. The key questions we need to be asking is how such a Surveillance State infrastructure can be tolerated in a so-called democracy. And how much of our national treasure is being thrown down the ever-greedier maw of National Security and to whose benefit?

Snowden? Pfft. Maybe is he is just a stupid punk with delusions of grandeur. So what? He did what he did and got a sorely needed conversation about the Surveillance State started. Let's take advantage of what he did by having THAT conversation - the one about the Surveillance State. NOT the conversation about Snowden - which is what the PTB would prefer that we have.

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Ah, so it's the fault of the critics' snobbery, not anything SNOWDEN did n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #1
Excuse me , wtf did Snowden did wrong?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #3
It's been spelled out (and disputed) in countless threads, and including the link in the o.p. Thx nt UTUSN Jun 2013 #4
So you would rather live in comforting darkness/ignorance than face the truth?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #8
Keep on debating with your own projections!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #13
Im debating your statements, not my "projections" darkangel218 Jun 2013 #14
The poster said he'd "rather live in comforting darkness/ignorance than face the truth"? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #18
Thats exactly what his posts said, since he/she is avoiding the truth darkangel218 Jun 2013 #19
What a curious construction of semantic sputum. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #21
I wont take a nap. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #33
No breaking the law is. gholtron Jun 2013 #28
Nation of laws, how?? By hiding the spying on our own people?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #30
Who said anything about hiding the spying? gholtron Jun 2013 #54
A "thrill seaker" who left all his family darkangel218 Jun 2013 #58
Hong Kong is "communist"? How interesting. delrem Jun 2013 #55
Sorry after Booshcheney marions ghost Jun 2013 #67
Handing over to China information about our spying on them pnwmom Jun 2013 #56
Snowden is a whistle blower, his only crime is reporting the governments crime. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #23
His crime is that he stole thousands of classified documents, according to his own statement, pnwmom Jun 2013 #57
Edward Snowden IS a hero!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #2
a geeky high-school dropout, an American original!!! Kolesar Jun 2013 #5
WHO THE FUCK CARES IF HE FINISHED HIGH SCHOOL?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #7
Caps lock: dead giveaway Kolesar Jun 2013 #10
So that terrorist doctor who killed people at FT Hood is higher up in your book just cuz he had darkangel218 Jun 2013 #12
And I heard he ate paste in kindergarten! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #17
I always liked Nevil Shute's definition of a hero. Downwinder Jun 2013 #6
Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #9
Perfection! Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #50
Let's see... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #63
I also remember how may liberals, and liberal institutions rallied around bush and his wars! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #11
I wasnt here back in Bush's era. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #20
You'd be surprised, however they were a vocal minority, like now usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #22
A hero on a staggering scale Catherina Jun 2013 #15
+1000 xchrom Jun 2013 #16
Seconded TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #24
Tripled! ReRe Jun 2013 #40
- 1,000,000. Comparing Snowden in any way to MLK is ludicrous. And embarrassing. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #39
Not to mention insulting to MLK. n/t Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #51
Martin Luther King didn't scurry off to China. He didn't embellish his resume or exaggerate claims KittyWampus Jun 2013 #38
Snowden is a criminal, facts are forthcoming, his keystrokes while in NSA was recorded, all files he Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #25
Ah yes. By revealing something that everybody knew, he damaged national security! dairydog91 Jun 2013 #36
The Character Assassination Continues - Truth Is Snowden Did Us A Favor - Focus On The Oligarchs cantbeserious Jun 2013 #26
Look over there think Jun 2013 #27
The "journalists" named in the OP are debating the irrelevant Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #29
Lol!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #31
Exactly. I don't give a rip about analyses of Snowden the person, they're totally beside the point. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #49
No, and the word itself has been overused to the point it is practically meaningless. nt bike man Jun 2013 #32
Einstein failed his entrance exams, ducked the draft, and fled his country. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #34
Clearly an unpatriotic failure. dairydog91 Jun 2013 #37
Let's see Snowden's Tumblr site before we start... gulliver Jun 2013 #35
Snowden is a spy watoos Jun 2013 #41
+++ flamingdem Jun 2013 #43
No, he won't watoos Jun 2013 #46
thanks. What does Britain have to do with this? flamingdem Jun 2013 #48
For all who call Snowden a traitor truebluegreen Jun 2013 #42
For those who consistently call Obama Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #52
Gee, I don't remember anyone calling Obama an arrogant, self-serving, truebluegreen Jun 2013 #59
Ah, the classic answer Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #61
Yeah, so's yours. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #64
Keep waiting. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #65
Nice try but no dice. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #66
No, actually YOUR quote Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #68
I was quoting you but whatever, dude. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #69
He is a liar and a thief and a traitor Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #44
He's not the issue. Obama's not the issue. It's not a DirkGently Jun 2013 #45
Embellishing doesn't help anyones' cause railsback Jun 2013 #47
Hero. wtmusic Jun 2013 #53
He is a hero and a traitor Marrah_G Jun 2013 #60
Surprised that you included this grantcart Jun 2013 #62
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