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243. "This is not safe and it is not going to work out well."

Reply to Yo_Mama (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:59 PM

Jun 2013

That would be the understatement of the decade.

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NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants [View all] DirkGently Jun 2013 OP

Oh make sure you see the thread I just posted about this Catherina Jun 2013 #1

Whoa. Tip of the iceberg is right. DirkGently Jun 2013 #4

*notices absence of Prosense from thread* Occulus Jun 2013 #149

You are correct tavalon Jun 2013 #242

They know that they can't defend this newthinking Jun 2013 #264

That shift proves the case for us Occulus Jun 2013 #280

Its definitely a collective, always has been bobduca Jun 2013 #286

Occulus, anyone with an IQ above room temperature has caught on dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #304

Once a nation decides that Enthusiast Jun 2013 #179

there's been high-level leaks saying basically the same thing for years... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #199

Which makes a complete mockery of the Constitution Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #2

It's sure looking that way. "Interpreting the law" to bypass DirkGently Jun 2013 #5

Maybe that's why they needed a Consitutional Scholar next n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #9

It would take such a scholar to interpret the Constitution properly. Occulus Jun 2013 #140

President Obama is a Constitutional Scholar tavalon Jun 2013 #245

Oh, I get the joke Occulus Jun 2013 #281

The infrastructure to do this was started under Clinton Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #12

Earlier, the Church committee slowed some of this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #16

"National Security" has become a misnomer.... ReRe Jun 2013 #83

Or alternatively, creative lies nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #84

"National Security" = $$$$$ for contractors. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #129

It's a money machine. ReRe Jun 2013 #134

Agree, it's bad marions ghost Jun 2013 #25

Time is short nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54

whatever way marions ghost Jun 2013 #74

Well...I need to troll a few twitter feeds nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #76

Happy twittering marions ghost Jun 2013 #82

I don't think this will bear any fruit. We can no longer organize that way. reusrename Jun 2013 #135

We need to think outside the computer nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #159

Knocking on doors... reusrename Jun 2013 #205

Yep! bvar22 Jun 2013 #208

I disagree nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #211

Coming to grips with where we are. reusrename Jun 2013 #212

Remove democratic and you got it. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #213

I don't make the same distinctions that you are making. reusrename Jun 2013 #228

As I said, the heads of the stasi nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #237

Enemy of the state isn't a very high bar. reusrename Jun 2013 #244

Well here is where we are nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #247

I am really clear on what you are saying here. reusrename Jun 2013 #256

A few debriefs of the victims of nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #260

That might be the case. Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #240

I think this is an age-old struggle that is on a continuum throughout our history. reusrename Jun 2013 #263

I would fervently like to believe you tavalon Jun 2013 #248

I was being facetious. bvar22 Jun 2013 #282

This is some really funny shit nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #210

Yeah, it's weird, tavalon Jun 2013 #251

If it helps, LOCAL elections still matter a tad. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #254

I have to agree with you Catherina Jun 2013 #52

You are exactly correct. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #182

Now that it's godzillion-dollar business, can ANYONE stop it? DirkGently Jun 2013 #103

This is one of those weird dichotomies in the macro and micro tavalon Jun 2013 #257

"This is not safe and it is not going to work out well." tavalon Jun 2013 #243

Isn't there already a complete mockery of the 2nd Amendment too? DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #109

This cannot be true. All the DUers said there was always a warrant! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #3

Correction - Only Some DU Members Supported The Establishment cantbeserious Jun 2013 #17

True. I would say 50/50. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #21

Well, as of late, anyways... n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #88

It's ten or so actual members. Occulus Jun 2013 #150

It's something isn't it? ReRe Jun 2013 #156

+1 prolific indeed KurtNYC Jun 2013 #178

Only if you count the sockpuppets. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #233

Yep marions ghost Jun 2013 #23

I think they had a super duper secret invisible warrant. So we still might be wrong! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #24

that's right marions ghost Jun 2013 #35

So true! I worry enough about the qualified people seeing this information, but just think... Logical Jun 2013 #40

Everyone wants to trust marions ghost Jun 2013 #69

Certainly no Dems from California! n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #37

Of course not marions ghost Jun 2013 #78

I've noticed allot of yellow faces around here lately.... n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #90

a few marions ghost Jun 2013 #102

There was ALWAYS a warrant. beevul Jun 2013 #108

LOL, OK, makes sense now. I feel sort of stupid. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #112

That's not true! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #147

This does not agree with the establishment narrative on the matter burnodo Jun 2013 #6

Have you ever thought about dating an acrobat? DirkGently Jun 2013 #8

Thought about it, sure! burnodo Jun 2013 #13

No wonder they were stomping on the press so hard Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #15

And the press started to push back nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #67

Shut it down now LittleBlue Jun 2013 #7

And while you're at it, repeal the Patriot Act and dismantle the DHS! n/t markpkessinger Jun 2013 #68

THIS. ++ DirkGently Jun 2013 #97

and end the war on pot nebenaube Jun 2013 #160

Yes, as soon as they called it Department of HOMELAND Security Lifelong Protester Jun 2013 #259

For some reason I immediately translated it into German in my head: Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #290

Rep. Jerrold Nadler admits what he heard from NSA. Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #10

Muller and Nadler had the following Roselma Jun 2013 #92

Thanks Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #95

Thanks Roselma OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #136

I think the CNET writer maybe threw Roselma Jun 2013 #151

The more I read, the more that's become clear. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #153

good article marions ghost Jun 2013 #11

But, but, there is a terrorist under my bed!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #14

Nobody. temporary311 Jun 2013 #18

I know nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45

The TSA and milk delivering cops will protect you! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #22

Oh come on now Daniel537 Jun 2013 #217

LOL! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #219

It used to be Reds under the bed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #113

I know I know. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #115

They are more interested in controlling We the People fascisthunter Jun 2013 #19

They're protecting themselves.. ReRe Jun 2013 #99

Certain heads "should" be exploding on DU, bvar22 Jun 2013 #20

What if Nadler left a pole-dancing ballerina at the alter? Huh? HUH? Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #26

Amends... marions ghost Jun 2013 #28

It certainly explain the vehemence from the administration. morningfog Jun 2013 #34

Vacuums do not ex-plode kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #41

True...the vacuum-heads will implode... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #87

I just don't know what to think. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #50

They're not here yet. Maedhros Jun 2013 #89

Well you see, all this is to find the next terrorist nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #93

It is the weekend. Jamastiene Jun 2013 #119

12-dimensional chess, my friend. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #225

We see this on every issue. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #186

No doubt being run by the same organizations. nt HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #265

Ah, now where are our resident propagandists to move the bar? Matariki Jun 2013 #27

Waiting for there marching orders, er, talking points. morningfog Jun 2013 #32

I'll erase the line in the sand if someone else can pull up the goal posts, just as a courtesy GoneFishin Jun 2013 #38

done marions ghost Jun 2013 #91

they'll upbraid us for being outraged before this particular story broke: us 80-percenters are STILL MisterP Jun 2013 #275

What a shocker! NOT. K&R. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #29

Wait one cotton picking minute; PBO just said "Nobody is listening to your telephone calls." Melinda Jun 2013 #30

PBO isn't God... ReRe Jun 2013 #116

And remind them that... beevul Jun 2013 #125

The NSA has more than 1,000 analysts with the surname "Nobody" MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #157

Terence Hill is probably proud of a movement he has started nolabels Jun 2013 #169

Why does the article add "A representative said Nadler was not immediately available"? struggle4progress Jun 2013 #31

It came from a hearing Thursday: Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #36

NPR provided some coverage of that hearing: struggle4progress Jun 2013 #77

and that's precisely what makes it important. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #224

To heck with deflection, I think this is more interesting. Pholus Jun 2013 #39

They filed the change of name paperwork this week. woo me with science Jun 2013 #64

Here's Feinstein on Thursday: struggle4progress Jun 2013 #79

Nadler also had some terse comments about the 2000 election Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #168

I'm not questioning Nadler's morals or decency -- but now that more of the transcript struggle4progress Jun 2013 #170

ah the misrepresentation of a miscommunication, quite some struggle you have going on Monkie Jun 2013 #181

The CNET headline: NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants struggle4progress Jun 2013 #252

so Mueller will be happy to clarify it IN SECRET Monkie Jun 2013 #267

More lies exposed. No surprise. Keep tugging th thread! morningfog Jun 2013 #33

It's what some of us have been saying since the beginning of this *scandal*. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #42

You have more confidence in that than do I. The authoritarians do not act in good faith. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #66

And on a Democratic board. It boggles the mind, doesn't it. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #206

Authoritarians generally do not rethink. beevul Jun 2013 #122

True SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #207

Yeah, but every time you talk on the phone, you're sharing that information voluntarily with the Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #43

A version of that excuse has been used for justification on DU. RC Jun 2013 #287

I am beginning to understand the sudden urgency in Syria. morningfog Jun 2013 #44

+1 GoneFishin Jun 2013 #46

Yup, the other day I said it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #49

Wow, great point. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #51

Food for thought. n/t DirkGently Jun 2013 #63

"How much is that doggie in the window... ReRe Jun 2013 #123

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #132

It's bio and chemical warfare and stuff. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #192

"Chemical weapons experts still skeptical about U.S. claim that Syria used sarin" nashville_brook Jun 2013 #203

Oh, well. Don't look back. On to Syria! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #47

Hey kids...this explains all those votes against the interest of the people nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #48

We didn't say they had a warrant to listen, we said that their listening was warranted. You GoneFishin Jun 2013 #53

I'll warrant that you're right. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #56

But was it "wittingly" warranted? DirkGently Jun 2013 #61

My activist friends, when the Iraq war started and we were organizing against the war and Bush etc, rainy Jun 2013 #55

They were nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #57

We were hearing & saying the same things in the Vietnam days. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #58

When radicals and members of the counterculture HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #163

The moral is that only paranoid thinking Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #250

Awesome! Trenchant, pithy, and germaine! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #279

Jeez, thanks, SW. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #289

It does bring to mind that old Zen-ism of the 60s: "Just because HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #285

As Heller said . . . markpkessinger Jun 2013 #305

That you are not paranoid. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #295

When we rises up to fight this you know the police state will be backed by our fellow rainy Jun 2013 #59

I would be willing to bet JimDandy Jun 2013 #104

I've had that happen too. Matariki Jun 2013 #307

But...... ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #60

This does explain the reason for the telecom retroactive immunity. (Explain not justify) GoneFishin Jun 2013 #62

Hey, remember when Ari Fleisher told us to watch what we said? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #65

That, my friend, is or should be HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #164

Hmmm. Some are saying Nadler is confusing metadata with listening. DirkGently Jun 2013 #70

Even here, it started. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #73

I'm sure someone will be along shortly neverforget Jun 2013 #71

Too funny Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #105

It doesn't give Mueller's answer. And Feinstein never said what they have her saying. LOL. DevonRex Jun 2013 #72

Are you fucking Apologists startng to... 99Forever Jun 2013 #75

They will show up. With some other excuse. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #80

you'd think self-proclaimed centrists would embrace moderation in tone nashville_brook Jun 2013 #101

Now, tell us how you really feel! Fuddnik Jun 2013 #171

Nadler charged with sex crime...3...2...1... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #81

I am expecting his junk on the twitter soon nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #96

It's almost as if the Church Committee served to innoculate the citizens against these ops... radhika Jun 2013 #85

The recomendations worked nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #98

Frogs boil; rights erode. DirkGently Jun 2013 #100

Sickening. What I knew is coming out in the open. mwooldri Jun 2013 #86

Democratic apologists should note that the NSA are not Democrats and do not like Democrats Ash_F Jun 2013 #94

And Clapper, Mueller, and Obama all lied... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #106

If Nadler actually said it nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #130

Nadler said Mueller was misleading, and posting from a racist right wing site helps make a point? Monkie Jun 2013 #183

Huffington Post reporting story faces skepticism Progressive dog Jun 2013 #187

No Problem, it happens to all of us, just a heads up Monkie Jun 2013 #188

Yup I just heard that Rep. Jerrold Adler fled to Hong Kong Progressive dog Jun 2013 #191

The racist littlegreenfootballs.com? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #189

hating muslims is not racists? Monkie Jun 2013 #190

Because this: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #193

some people feel dirty when they constantly wallow in racist hate Monkie Jun 2013 #198

Actually, that's kinda what was said in a post slightly upthread. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #201

sorry i was actually already checking my pre-conceptions Monkie Jun 2013 #204

from anti-muslim hate site to shilling for the surveillance state, quite a reinvention Monkie Jun 2013 #202

Johnson is no Obama cheerleader. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #209

what i know is he ran a anti-muslim hate site, and its now filled with cheerleading Monkie Jun 2013 #214

It's absolutely fair to discuss Johnson's history. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #226

Before you backpedal too far, let me ask something. reusrename Jun 2013 #278

im sorry i do not understand your question at all? Monkie Jun 2013 #288

No doubt it's racist. reusrename Jun 2013 #292

i understand now where you are trying to go but i dont quite want to go there.. Monkie Jun 2013 #294

I understand and agree with your philosophy. reusrename Jun 2013 #300

Yes. They're reduced to citing conservative racist hate-sites to "bolster" their argument. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #268

What conservative racist hate-site (sic)? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #276

DUers citing Little Green Footballs to smear Nadler. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #284

LGF is not a "racist hate-site (sic)". OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #299

Johnson is a neo-con who cut ties with the teabaggers. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #301

Okay. I'll go there again. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #303

They don't like that damn pesky Constitution either.... ReRe Jun 2013 #131

Incurious Barack BlueStreak Jun 2013 #107

Neither man is incurious. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #126

Precisely.......nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #194

He has been doing this since he first took office AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #229

He's definitely sucked into that 3rd way thing. But I still go with incurious BlueStreak Jun 2013 #238

If anyone caes to see another take, the video is here Progressive dog Jun 2013 #110

So the NSA did NOT admit this? Sounds DEBUNKED. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #121

I think you made a good prediction Progressive dog Jun 2013 #155

Little Green Footballs is a low rent Breitbart. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #172

Sure they are, reads just like Breitbart Progressive dog Jun 2013 #180

little green racists n/t Monkie Jun 2013 #184

I read that too, Charles Johnson bluemarkers Jun 2013 #133

This should die down gone quick except for a few diehards Progressive dog Jun 2013 #154

Gods bless Charles Johnson OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #141

Yep. They're using a neo-con website as a reference. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #272

Who is? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #273

The DUers citing Little Green Footballs to smear Nadler. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #283

A few more tidbits for the tiny Sanity Section: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #145

I didn't know anything about McCullagh till now Progressive dog Jun 2013 #152

Declan McCullagh, Alex Jones, and Ratfuckers of the World Unite. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #158

And the usuals fell for it. I couldn't stop laughing at some of the shrillness upthread. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #167

we're going to find out that it's a worst case scenario. then what? nashville_brook Jun 2013 #111

First there will be the parsing & obfuscating. DirkGently Jun 2013 #117

Technically different nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #128

No kidding Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #137

someone made a great point in another forum today, that the worst part about the spying nashville_brook Jun 2013 #114

It's chilling to any sort of "progress" is what it is. DirkGently Jun 2013 #120

"These dots don't even need to be connected." nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #195

we know, actually, that NSA was busy targeting OWS while the Russia was raising alarms nashville_brook Jun 2013 #197

A perpetual state of high school marions ghost Jun 2013 #142

. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #118

Tagging for later. Marr Jun 2013 #124

No matter if the System is allegedly changed; WE WILL NEVER AGAIN KNOW IF WE ARE BEING LISTENED TO. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #127

Another link calls Nadler confused Progressive dog Jun 2013 #138

I wish the article reported what Mueller's response was to Nadler. pnwmom Jun 2013 #139

if you are not racists what is the difference between talking to a chinese or a UK newspaper? Monkie Jun 2013 #185

China is not an ally. The UK, which is a country of diverse racial backgrounds, pnwmom Jun 2013 #261

The CNET headline: NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants struggle4progress Jun 2013 #255

Thanks! nt pnwmom Jun 2013 #262

Let's be careful here. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #143

Mueller & Nadler appear to disagree. DirkGently Jun 2013 #161

If true this is definitely illegal Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #144

Correction, they secretly interpreted the secret law! Coyotl Jun 2013 #146

Video of exchange between Nadler and Mueller BlueCheese Jun 2013 #148

Here's what one commie (oops Libertarian) thinks DirkGently Jun 2013 #162

That's how it seem to me as well. Although... Marr Jun 2013 #227

k&r avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #165

This is what happens when you appoint Leslie Nielsen as FBI director. anAustralianobserver Jun 2013 #166

Well, this is a problem if its true. DCBob Jun 2013 #173

The discussion might have been about metadata not real time listening to phone calls... DCBob Jun 2013 #174

But the 'discussion' at DU is more like this. randome Jun 2013 #176

think mtasselin Jun 2013 #175

It all started with those damned "Secret Decoder Rings." Hubert Flottz Jun 2013 #177

This is how the media ProSense Jun 2013 #196

my guess is that Nadler will be a hot commodity this week. nashville_brook Jun 2013 #200

So fucking what? Daniel537 Jun 2013 #215

Hell, anyone can do that skepticscott Jun 2013 #216

Are you a member of the state? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #218

I was being facetious, my overwrought friend... skepticscott Jun 2013 #220

Matrix reference whooshhh!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #222

Yawn skepticscott Jun 2013 #230

Actually you missed an extremely good dystopia nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #239

I hope you don't view the prophet Orwell in this same light. reusrename Jun 2013 #249

"The Prophet Orwell" marions ghost Jun 2013 #274

My brother started referring to him that way several years ago. reusrename Jun 2013 #277

Phillip K Dick nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #297

it wasn't exactly clear to me either... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #223

Try getting out in the real world a little skepticscott Jun 2013 #231

wow -- crusty much? nashville_brook Jun 2013 #234

Post your phone bill in the thread then. DirkGently Jun 2013 #235

A Public Service Announcement from the NSA: lastlib Jun 2013 #221

thank you lastlib, songs from yesterday for today saidsimplesimon Jun 2013 #270

And since the private contractors recruit their "analysts" from Kinko's... lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #232

When was he told this though? Was it during the Bush administration when they were ignoring the law cstanleytech Jun 2013 #236

Whoops, looks like those of us being chastised for having our hair on fire, tavalon Jun 2013 #241

wow Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #246

Jerrold Nadler Does Not Think the NSA Can Listen to U.S. Phone Calls ProSense Jun 2013 #253

^^^^^ *** !!!!! *** ^^^^^ *** !!!!! *** ^^^^^ *** !!!!! *** ^^^^^ struggle4progress Jun 2013 #258

More like "oops", "we need to contain that" newthinking Jun 2013 #266

Actually, he didn't say what he thinks. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #306

So will all you pathetic, NSA humping lemmings kindly do us a favor now and Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #269

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #271

Talking Points Memo has just shot this story down... farmbo Jun 2013 #291

That is why hearings nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #293

How dare you Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #296

All that statement says is that the WH told him to sit down and shut up. He didnt explain rhett o rick Jun 2013 #298

Amazing... humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #302