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MuseRider

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61. I don't want to live in that world either

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:08 PM

Jun 2013

nor do I want to live in a world where you have to fight your way to the truth but first have to clear all the obstacles put in front of you by the people who would protect "our guy" and let the rest go until "the other sides guy" is in office.

Perhaps our guy is not really involved? I am of the opinion he is either clueless (inexcusable) or involved (inexcusable) but would be thrilled to find out it was none of the above so I have to wade through all the protector posts to look to find actual information.

I feel I have to say that yes, wading through the protector threads to get to threads I think are informative sounds a bit like I have decided Obama is guilty. On the contrary, what I might think or how I care about this means nothing as the information is not all out, not by a long shot. However, the only place or way to find out is to look at the threads that are not involved in the "our guy at all costs" obfuscations. The truth lies in digging through all the disgusting muck and not stopping because "our guy" might be involved.

Thank you for all your threads. They have been informative and sad but we have to do this now. Somehow, somewhere, someone decided we did not matter any more. We are charged with this task. We live in this time, it is in front of us now.

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Conyers, Nadler, and Scott: NSA-Phone Tracking is Overbroad; Call for Immediate Hearings [View all] sabrina 1 Jun 2013 OP

They are already being smeared by DUer's... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #1

How very Rovian of them. 20score Jun 2013 #10

That's as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning. QC Jun 2013 #14

Yep. Like COINTELPRO. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #30

Fortunately the overwhelming majority on DU are not usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #36

Yep. DU's own brigade of bullying authoritarian shitbags. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #57

You forgot Greenwald, how that he grew horns 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #81

if you alert, the juries will ignore you. attacking some of the most liberal members of congress Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #102

But but it's *legal*! As *legal*and as defended as slavery and discrimination once were. Catherina Jun 2013 #2

The thing is, FISA does NOT give permission to spy domestically, it is only for foreign sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #6

They dont' need laws when they can make up "interpretations" on Opposite Day MNBrewer Jun 2013 #7

That's the most hilarious part of it all. Secret courts, secret interpretations, secret rulings, Catherina Jun 2013 #26

Great video marions ghost Jun 2013 #34

Thanks for watching it. I hope more people watch the whistleblower videos Catherina Jun 2013 #44

It can't be said enough marions ghost Jun 2013 #53

"Secret detentions are right around the corner." East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #91

Classify/reclassify... ReRe Jun 2013 #28

Yes, someone here actually told me the other day after I posted the 4th Amendment for him which, sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #52

You can't even get the first letter of the acronym across. What hope is there for the content? Catherina Jun 2013 #22

Well, I've mentioned that a few times and got no response from the defenders so I'm sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #71

All it takes is a little waiting MuseRider Jun 2013 #9

+++++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #27

You nailed it, This is personal, very personal Catherina Jun 2013 #35

I don't want to live in that world either MuseRider Jun 2013 #61

It's a dreadful situation but I'm glad it's being discussed Catherina Jun 2013 #90

Lol: sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #65

No one is "attacking" Nadler. The fact you resort to hyperbole just shows how reactionary so many KittyWampus Jun 2013 #12

Looks to me like there are two sides. When a whistle-blower speaks out and says that something is rhett o rick Jun 2013 #18

Sorry, there are 3 groups. I am in the group wanting more facts. Many DU'ers are in group 3 which KittyWampus Jun 2013 #23

You're "in the group wanting more facts"? The NSA isn't going to willingly give more facts to you AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #72

Red flags go up in my head when I hear this. zeemike Jun 2013 #24

Well, I would never compare Nadler, to the Republican, Alaskan Sen. Stevens who was sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #86

but remember, the flunky who spies, serves Wall Street, attacks the New Deal, and conducts MisterP Jun 2013 #64

K&R n/t myrna minx Jun 2013 #3

"Public" hearings. Downwinder Jun 2013 #4

Yes.... And let's not have them in the basement of some remote room.... midnight Jun 2013 #105

Recommend! morningfog Jun 2013 #5

This is a June 6 release based on the initial reporting. ProSense Jun 2013 #8

It's possible to trust Nadler and yet question whether he misunderstands terminology & tech issues- KittyWampus Jun 2013 #11

Just want to add, "bless those reactionary screamers" like Alan Grayson screaming for, of all thing, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #13

"over reaction" MuseRider Jun 2013 #62

I agree. Our "representative" government is failing us. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #66

Your posts are just golden, Kitty. Golden. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #20

I think Nadler has been a long time defender of whistleblowers trying to provide us transparency... cascadiance Jun 2013 #79

Yes, you are right. He's been a fantastic voice against the destruction of our rights for a long sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #104

Does Anyone Have A Complete Understanding Of The Technical Methods Implemented Or Consequences cantbeserious Jun 2013 #15

Bush should have been impeached for his illegal wiretapping Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #29

No Doubt - And With The Nadler Revelations That Might Apply To Obama As Well cantbeserious Jun 2013 #33

Again, Bush warrantless wiretapping=Illegal, Obama use of FISA=legal. No impeachment warranted. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #38

Nadler Says That No FISA Court Involved - Per His Public Understanding Of The Process cantbeserious Jun 2013 #41

No FISA court involved in which issue? nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #45

Foreign Intelligence Surveillence Act does not authorise DOMESTIC spying. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #42

No one is saying that it does. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #43

Domestic spying under FISA is also illegal. Is that so hard to comprehend? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #68

You don't understand the meaning of that in the law stevenleser Jun 2013 #74

Oh, I guess you know more than the three ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #98

I understand perfectly well what the defenders of this 'collecting and storing' of domestic data are sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #107

FISA doesn't have the authority to authorize ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #97

It's legal when Obama (D) does it. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #73

Agreed. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #40

K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #16

thanks, Bobby Scott, from a Virginian carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #17

Thanks for the post. Looks like the lines are being drawn. Either stand with Grayson or Clapper. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #19

I'd actually stand with Nadler. It's hilarious you drag Grayson's name into this thread. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #25

Well I expect the following to happen to this upstart nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #21

"Apparently there is some effort to discredit even Jerry Nadler now, in favor of Mueller." OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #31

It is being claimed that 'Nadler misunderstood' what was being said. He did NOT misunderstand sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #48

This is what you said: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #50

I read the transcript of the Mueller/Nadler discussion. It is all over the internet, and if cnet sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #55

And there's more! OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #59

See the threads that linked to cnet. There was no subtext, Nadler was not confused, Mueller otoh sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #63

When all else fails, you COULD read the transcript: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #75

Again, saying you are pleased with someone's public statement on policy... cascadiance Jun 2013 #80

Agreed. Look at his actual statement. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #88

I have read the transcript. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #94

and nothing will come of it. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #32

I wouldn't count on that. The Church Committee put the brakes on sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #92

Oh shit, Nadler, Wyden, Udall, Grayson and more Iliyah Jun 2013 #37

He's not the first to blow the whistle on these violations of our rights. Just one more in what is sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #67

Nadler update ProSense Jun 2013 #39

Disingenuous. Nadler did not say he doesnt believe they are listening, he said it is illegal to do sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46

Here is his direct qoute: ProSense Jun 2013 #47

Lol, yes, he is pleased that the Adminstration has stated what he always believed, sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #49

That's really a convoluted response. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #51

You're free to unconvolute it, if you can! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #56

Well, where to ProSense Jun 2013 #58

I didn't say Congress was lied TO. I said they were lied ABOUT which Nadler sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #60

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #54

Did you notice this was dated June 6th? Before the recent briefings? pnwmom Jun 2013 #69

Did he cancel it? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #70

All I know is that since then he went to that hearing with Mueller, pnwmom Jun 2013 #83

That is NOT 'walking back' anything he has said at all. It is stating that he is glad the president sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #84

How about a repeal of the ' Patriot Act ' ? orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #76

I'm for that. It never should have passed in the first place, and it did have a 'sunshine clause' sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #77

Agreed , biggest misanthrope in Presidential history . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #112

I live in a small coastal Oregon town of 1200 persons. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #89

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #111

sabrina 1. As usual timdog44 Jun 2013 #78

+1000 cascadiance Jun 2013 #82

Good for you and I am sorry about your friend's loss. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #85

. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #87

K&R midnight Jun 2013 #93

The most recent libdude Jun 2013 #95

The potential abuses are frightening. And more than possible, probable. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #96

and that's the fact of the matter.... ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #99

Anyone who believes that after learning about the Multi billion dollar 'secruty' industry, after sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #100

K&R! blackspade Jun 2013 #101

du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #103

It only take a few brave people and then the rest will follow Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #106

Im surprised the OP article up above iis on the front page of DU - article from June 6th Tx4obama Jun 2013 #108

Nadler did not 'walk his comments back' and that is old news btw, and has been discussed here sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #109

I agree with the approach of Conyers, Nadler and Scott. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #110

good. Thanks for the posting this information. I'm glad to see this story is not going away. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #113