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KittyWampus

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28. I am ambivalent about the FISA court. My main concern right now is cost. Good old money. The NSA

Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:07 PM

Jun 2013

programs are sucking huge amounts of money out of our schools etc. Vast amounts. Into a black hole.

and regarding NSA programs… there are two from what I have learned over this past week.

I am less concerned about PRISM (getting info via warrants/FISA) than I am about the govt. taping directly into underseas cables etc and storing that info.

The scale of doing that… taping into various communication lines that move overseas and storing it… is so huge it almost seems impossible.

And it's the latter programs that is apparently the most secretive of all.

It seems insane to me. I can see where PRISM could definitely help in security. And there doesn't seem any way to argue against that. Argue for move oversight and less secrecy? Yes. Argue for less contractors and more vetted govt people? Yes. Making sure the business side is holding the data & only accessing it when necessary? Yes.

But getting and storing unimaginably huge amounts of communications data? Directly doing what the govt claims it isn't doing?

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I know all y'all DU'ers trust President Obama [View all] MNBrewer Jun 2013 OP

I don't trust any of them. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #1

+1 Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #4

+1 woo me with science Jun 2013 #6

+1 truebluegreen Jun 2013 #25

EVERY TIME I have trusted ANY of them... 99Forever Jun 2013 #32

+1 MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #36

Trust is for suckers. L0oniX Jun 2013 #39

PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #42

So you are an anarchist? treestar Jun 2013 #61

Trust? Really? Hydra Jun 2013 #83

No. But trusting in paid liars is folly. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #85

_ Kolesar Jun 2013 #2

It's the process that cannot be trusted. Using DirkGently Jun 2013 #3

Thank you. They have no right to conduct mass surveillance woo me with science Jun 2013 #17

I don't trust any of them Marrah_G Jun 2013 #5

what happens when we dont have a democratic president. that's why i dont understand La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #7

We shouldn't spy on China or the Wahabbists, I suppose, Kolesar Jun 2013 #9

how does that follow? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #10

It doesn't follow MNBrewer Jun 2013 #12

'cuz that is how we actually use the data Kolesar Jun 2013 #20

are you saying there is no way to spy internationally without spying domestically? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #22

I don't know how you wrote that subject line based on my posts Kolesar Jun 2013 #23

And I don't know what caused you to write any of your posts Quantess Jun 2013 #77

^Who asked junior to jump in here? eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #79

Because some people are simple-minded and can only imagine the world Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #58

projection treestar Jun 2013 #63

Have we met? nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #69

And who said the spy agencies don't have uses? What people are saying is, spying on the American sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #73

That's a red herring. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #46

Democracy is an illusion. L0oniX Jun 2013 #40

^this guy always comes up with some good ones Kolesar Jun 2013 #48

Bush had the powers and claimed more treestar Jun 2013 #62

Why would Bush want to still be in office? Hydra Jun 2013 #84

I don't trust him or anyone else you mentioned. forestpath Jun 2013 #8

Or private contractors? G_j Jun 2013 #11

Yep, that one was blatantly obvious it would seem to everyone, but some RKP5637 Jun 2013 #19

Aw, you just learned that Roberts appoints the FISA court so you had to start a thread about it. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #13

Do you trust Republicans? burnodo Jun 2013 #15

Nice to learn about your confidence in Roberts MNBrewer Jun 2013 #18

who said I had any confidence in Roberts? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #26

The Chief Justice is of the judiciary treestar Jun 2013 #64

So, do you support the secret FISA Court? Which is only allowed to do FOREIGN intel btw not sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #24

I am ambivalent about the FISA court. My main concern right now is cost. Good old money. The NSA KittyWampus Jun 2013 #28

Before FISA, Presidents could do as they pleased. treestar Jun 2013 #65

Are you serious? Have you forgotten the US Constitution, which is the standard by which all laws sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #68

And the link I posted is to a case treestar Jun 2013 #70

I see what you did there tavalon Jun 2013 #30

I dont trust the Boosh Republicans that are in our security services. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #14

Trust and credibility has flown out the window for all of them. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #16

I don't trust any of them bigwillq Jun 2013 #21

Why not ask how many would trust President Romney? Historic NY Jun 2013 #27

That is a broad brush you have there in your title tavalon Jun 2013 #29

Smith vs. Maryland decided this is legal in 1979. graham4anything Jun 2013 #31

No, it didn't and even if had, why would that matter? bowens43 Jun 2013 #35

It is legal. Smith vs. Maryland 1979.Jimmy Carter was President at the time. graham4anything Jun 2013 #37

And everything that is legal SHOULD be legal and SHOULD be done, right? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #43

I want the 2nd reinterpreted. Maybe we there can be a deal. Get rid of the 2nd and this together. graham4anything Jun 2013 #44

You're more likely to get agreement to get rid of the 4th and the 1st for nothing MNBrewer Jun 2013 #49

What else should be done? treestar Jun 2013 #66

I don't trust any of them including Obama bowens43 Jun 2013 #33

i don't trust any of them avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #34

Trust SamKnause Jun 2013 #38

Wow. Well said! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #53

But I trust government more than the "free market" stuckinodi Jun 2013 #54

So what do you suggest? treestar Jun 2013 #67

The NSA has Admitted humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #41

More than a few of us don't trust the President very much either. But yours is the real point to all Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #45

Obama 2011: "...attacks on peaceful protesters are unacceptable". Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #47

I don't trust Government AT ALL. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #50

I TRUST MY PRESIDENT 100% Skittles Jun 2013 #51

Looks like you need a poll Progressive dog Jun 2013 #52

Give me one reason why I should. tblue Jun 2013 #55

sometimes the replies in this OP look like a right wing confessional sigmasix Jun 2013 #56

I don't trust any of them. alarimer Jun 2013 #57

Well, I don't trust any of them either... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #59

The FISA court has been there since the late 70s treestar Jun 2013 #60

Name a case where they authorized spying without any cause and in bad faith. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74

LOL at yourself too then treestar Jun 2013 #81

Can you name ANY FISA case? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #82

It's not as though Obama's going to get the chance to depose Roberts as Chief Justice. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #71

I did no such thing MNBrewer Jun 2013 #75

Ok...could you clarify the point you were trying to make, then? Ken Burch Jun 2013 #78

A lot of DUers are saying MNBrewer Jun 2013 #80

I trust NO politician. I vote for the ones I distrust the least. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #72

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When Obama became president bobduca Jun 2013 #87

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