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In reply to the discussion: 3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so (excellent information) [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)8. Three NSA veterans
"3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so (excellent information)"
...who exposed Bush and then had their offices raided in 2007. They have a point, but they certainly can't speak to Obama's policies.
Why isn't Thomas Tamm ever mentioned? He exposed Stellar Wind.
STELLARWIND was succeeded by four major lines of intelligence collection in the territorial United States, together capable of spanning the full range of modern telecommunications, according to the interviews and documents.
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Two of the four collection programs, one each for telephony and the Internet, process trillions of metadata records for storage and analysis in systems called MAINWAY and MARINA, respectively. Metadata includes highly revealing information about the times, places, devices and participants in electronic communication, but not its contents. The bulk collection of telephone call records from Verizon Business Services, disclosed this month by the British newspaper the Guardian, is one source of raw intelligence for MAINWAY.
The other two types of collection, which operate on a much smaller scale, are aimed at content. One of them intercepts telephone calls and routes the spoken words to a system called NUCLEON.
For Internet content, the most important source collection is the PRISM project reported on June 6 by The Washington Post and the Guardian. It draws from data held by Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other Silicon Valley giants, collectively the richest depositories of personal information in history.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-surveillance-architecture-includes-collection-of-revealing-internet-phone-metadata/2013/06/15/e9bf004a-d511-11e2-b05f-3ea3f0e7bb5a_story.html?hpid=z1
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Two of the four collection programs, one each for telephony and the Internet, process trillions of metadata records for storage and analysis in systems called MAINWAY and MARINA, respectively. Metadata includes highly revealing information about the times, places, devices and participants in electronic communication, but not its contents. The bulk collection of telephone call records from Verizon Business Services, disclosed this month by the British newspaper the Guardian, is one source of raw intelligence for MAINWAY.
The other two types of collection, which operate on a much smaller scale, are aimed at content. One of them intercepts telephone calls and routes the spoken words to a system called NUCLEON.
For Internet content, the most important source collection is the PRISM project reported on June 6 by The Washington Post and the Guardian. It draws from data held by Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other Silicon Valley giants, collectively the richest depositories of personal information in history.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-surveillance-architecture-includes-collection-of-revealing-internet-phone-metadata/2013/06/15/e9bf004a-d511-11e2-b05f-3ea3f0e7bb5a_story.html?hpid=z1
The above story proves the media are becoming more and more clever in their attempts to conflate Bush's illegal wiretapping with Obama's policies.
Stellar Wind was part of Bush's illegal wiretapping program.
The program was in fact a wide range of covert surveillance activities authorized by President Bush in the aftermath of 9/11. At that time, White House officials, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, had become convinced that FISA court procedures were too cumbersome and time-consuming to permit U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies to quickly identify possible Qaeda terrorists inside the country. (Cheney's chief counsel, David Addington, referred to the FISA court in one meeting as that "obnoxious court," according to former assistant attorney general Jack Goldsmith.) Under a series of secret orders, Bush authorized the NSA for the first time to eavesdrop on phone calls and e-mails between the United States and a foreign country without any court review. The code name for the NSA collection activitiesunknown to all but a tiny number of officials at the White House and in the U.S. intelligence communitywas "Stellar Wind."
http://web.archive.org/web/20081216011008/http://www.newsweek.com/id/174601/output/print
http://web.archive.org/web/20081216011008/http://www.newsweek.com/id/174601/output/print
No charges for man who leaked surveillance program
WASHINGTON The Justice Department has dropped its investigation into a former department attorney who tipped off the media about the Bush administrations warrantless eavesdropping program.
The department informed Thomas Tamms attorneys that he will not be prosecuted for the leak that then-President George W. Bush called a breach of national security.
Tamm has said he called The New York Times about the program because it didnt smell right and he thought the public had a right to know.
The Times won the Pulitzer Prize for its 2005 story exposing the program designed to catch terrorists by eavesdropping on international phone calls and emails of U.S. residents without court warrants.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/no-charges-for-man-who-leaked-surveillance-program/2011/04/26/AFt9o6rE_story.html
WASHINGTON The Justice Department has dropped its investigation into a former department attorney who tipped off the media about the Bush administrations warrantless eavesdropping program.
The department informed Thomas Tamms attorneys that he will not be prosecuted for the leak that then-President George W. Bush called a breach of national security.
Tamm has said he called The New York Times about the program because it didnt smell right and he thought the public had a right to know.
The Times won the Pulitzer Prize for its 2005 story exposing the program designed to catch terrorists by eavesdropping on international phone calls and emails of U.S. residents without court warrants.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/no-charges-for-man-who-leaked-surveillance-program/2011/04/26/AFt9o6rE_story.html
Another misleading media report implies that warrantless wiretapping is legal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026724
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3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so (excellent information) [View all]
Catherina
Jun 2013
OP
Its not that they are irrelevant in this case but rather that its been well documented back to
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#149
It was congress-people who covered up the whistleblowing of these three patriots.
iemitsu
Jun 2013
#175
Are you listening to the videos? heavy stuff. That order was highly highly classified
Catherina
Jun 2013
#5
But that would amount to domestic spying which the NSA swears it does not do without a warrant...
Ford_Prefect
Jun 2013
#138
& Snowden shifted it quite well today saying it was an honor 2b called a traitor by Darth Vader lol!
Catherina
Jun 2013
#155
This is the main point that is being ignored: 'by a court that has not jurisdiction'.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#123
How corrupt is this system? Could a billionaire buy NSA information? Could a person with less than
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#22
All excellent points with frightening implications. Is this not HIGH TREASON?
Catherina
Jun 2013
#28
I could see corporations using information about their employees & their medical records,
pacalo
Jun 2013
#151
Mr. Binney: Snowden left out the exposure of the NSA tapping of fiber optic trunk lines at ATT SF
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#23
'FISA order (F for foreign) has no jurisdiction to authorize domestic surveillance'
Catherina
Jun 2013
#26
Three decent and honorable men who tried to do the right thing. And we hear all the time that
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#37
Evil, I agree. And it's all about money and retaining the influences and power to get it.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#61
I remember that scandal, which went away until the Wikileaks cables confirmed it. No one has been
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#63
The round table discussion throughout the video is a must see. Articulate, polite, respectful...
Melinda
Jun 2013
#49
Yes. But he had an *alibi*, Gerald Ford lol. These are the criminals who run our intelligence
Catherina
Jun 2013
#121
NOT unconsitutional, Meta Data is NOT the costumers...You through out trash they can look through it
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#128
Link and quote on the content, that even sounds crazy....there isn't equipment or people
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#132
It's all over DU, but just because you can't imagine it only reveals your lack of imagination
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#133
"itls all over DU" is NOT a link and quote, I'm asking you to source your claim. Regards
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#134
This very thread discusses the massive government spying on ALL Americans (LINK)
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#136
I changed my mind and deleted my response because if people haven't even watched the video,
Catherina
Jun 2013
#117
Use them as an opportunity to repeat what the whistle blowers are saying
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#130
Thanks HHNF. I had to turn it off to not see that and not to get distracted, discouraged or angry
Catherina
Jun 2013
#196
It's a lot of reading so if you have limited time, just listen to the videos
Catherina
Jun 2013
#160