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kentuck

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24. Thanks a lot!
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jun 2013

A few sections do present situations with a lot of questions:

&quot 5) A finding may not authorize any action that would violate the Constitution or any statute of the United States. "

And only the President may present a finding, is that correct?

Also:

&quot 2) If the President determines that it is essential to limit access to the finding to meet extraordinary circumstances affecting vital interests of the United States, the finding may be reported to the chairmen and ranking minority members of the congressional intelligence committees, the Speaker and minority leader of the House of Representatives, the majority and minority leaders of the Senate, and such other member or members of the congressional leadership as may be included by the President. "

So this is the small gang that is supposedly running our government? And who swears them to secrecy? Would that not be their superiors?

And:

&quot f) Prohibition on covert actions intended to influence United States political processes, etc.
No covert action may be conducted which is intended to influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media. "

Prohibits from influencing public opinion? Really?

I have no idea when this part of the code was added or revised, but it assumes the President is aware of everything and must sign off on everything with a finding and report it to certain members of Congress. There is someone advising the President, I suppose? Who would that be? The CIA? The NSA?

If we decide to go into Syria, for example, is it because the President wishes to go or is it someone else demanding that the President do what is in the "national interest"? What makes them the experts?

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If secrets are kept, it's no longer a democracy, because the data to make a thoughtful choice PDJane Jun 2013 #1
kept, is the key word RobertEarl Jun 2013 #4
A thoughtful, reasonable response.. kentuck Jun 2013 #5
I think you are drawing a reasonable line here n/t Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #9
secrets, yes burnodo Jun 2013 #2
Not if they are bugging all of us or within an interpretation of infringing on our rights dkf Jun 2013 #3
In a representative democracy we elect executives and legislators to act on our behalf FarCenter Jun 2013 #6
But... kentuck Jun 2013 #7
I think this kind of spying (if it is going on) is a special case... cascadiance Jun 2013 #10
Well said. kentuck Jun 2013 #16
The congress has delegated oversight of intelligence to the Select Committees on Intelligence FarCenter Jun 2013 #11
And from whom does the "Gang of Eight" get the secrets?? kentuck Jun 2013 #18
50 USC § 413b - Presidential approval and reporting of covert actions FarCenter Jun 2013 #20
Thanks a lot! kentuck Jun 2013 #24
and upon being elected, they are sworn burnodo Jun 2013 #12
What law makes that a crime? FarCenter Jun 2013 #14
spying on citizens without cause? burnodo Jun 2013 #15
What section of the United States Code is that? FarCenter Jun 2013 #17
I think you may be far center right? kentuck Jun 2013 #19
The way I look at it Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #8
There is a difference between keeping secrets and collecting data on every American citizen davidn3600 Jun 2013 #13
How so? kentuck Jun 2013 #21
Here is the problem as I see it: The Straight Story Jun 2013 #22
Someday I'd like to live in an entirely transparent democracy. hunter Jun 2013 #23
There is no right in a democracy to keep the peoples business from them. bemildred Jun 2013 #25
I would agree that there is way, way too much secrecy. kentuck Jun 2013 #26
Secrecy is a privilege we allow the government, not something the government has a right to. bemildred Jun 2013 #28
They are not keeping secrets from the people treestar Jun 2013 #27
That's a matter of perspective, I would think. kentuck Jun 2013 #30
They have to be secret of necessity I would think treestar Jun 2013 #35
What kind of information should be kept secret? backscatter712 Jun 2013 #29
The intelligence community is just like most of today's politicians... kentuck Jun 2013 #31
I respectfully disagree. PragmaticLiberal Jun 2013 #32
Perhaps I should have said the "leaders in the intelligence community"? kentuck Jun 2013 #33
Actually, I think most politicians probably have noble intentions..at least initially. PragmaticLiberal Jun 2013 #34
The real question today is, "Do we?" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #36
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