So which Amendment is it that permits subordination of the Constitution to "safety from terrorism?"

[sabrina 1]

133. Lol, and what does any of this have to do what actually happened?

The FISA Bill is for Foreign Intelligence only. Any 'gathering of data' on Americans citizens is not covered by that Bill. That means the law was broken IF they have been 'collecting and storing' the personal info of Americans who are not suspected of any crime.

It's really simple, even if you don't care about the Constitution. There is NO law in this country and never was that permitted the Government to spy on its own people, not even a teeny, weeny bit. They have admitted to 'collecting and storing personal info on Americans. What court could issue a warrant for them to do that? NOT FISA, that is only for Foreign Intel.

Second, you seem not to know they have admitted to getting a Warrant, in fact like all people who, when they begin to lie, have to try to cover their tracks, by admitting they got a warrant from the FISA Court, they forgot that no court, and certainly not one set up for the specific purpose of confining all spying to Foreign enemies.

They have not claimed to have asked for a 'subpoena', they have claimed they got a warrant. And the new version of the FISA BILL, designed to protect Bush and his spying telecoms from prosecution, doesn't even require a warrant until AFTER THE FACT. So how then did they produce Probable Cause an absolute, according to the law, necessary requirement to get a warrant in the first place.

Sabrina

Thankfully and proudly NOT a member of the imaginary Reality Based Community, a term invoked to slam Liberal Democrats with by Third Way operatives and 'former Republicans' who used to roam the internets, thinking they were disguising themselves as normal commenters. They became so unpopular because of their sheer nasty, unpleasant and mostly right-wing like blind loyalties, these members of the Reality Based Community, most of them easily exposed as, early on because we dems are not blind, and later admitted to being political operatives, that they have mostly faded into obscurity, their job very badly done!

R.I.P. to a once prominent if ridiculous membership missed by no one!

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