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Eleanors38

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97. The "assertion" you made was not by me, review as I might.

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:40 PM

Jun 2013

I leave open the question of numbers and percentages of gun-owners; the data is regularly challenged, as is the data concerning who is hard-line. Exp. Of challenged data: Gallup says the fastest-rising demographics in gun ownership are self-identified Democrats, and women. There has been a significant jump in gun permits in CN, which might reflect New gun-owners as all gun-owners must be licensed there. Other states where permitting is required have had similar jumps. But 80,000,000+ gun owners is still a big number.

Curious, but the recent tsunami in gun-buying is traceable to before the public knew that "Obama" wasn't a brand of peanut butter.

I'd like to see better data on the urban/rural phenomenon; who owns and where and the trends. Gun ownership is high in big sunbelt cities, if a million folks in either Jacksonville or San Antonio are considered "urban."

Always curious about other countries' experiences, but thus country is quite a bit different from Nigeria and Norway.

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Stop Lying to yourself About Being That �Good Guy With A Gun� by STEVE MARMEL [View all] BainsBane Jun 2013 OP

This is the best part BainsBane Jun 2013 #1

I don't understand exactly why your selection is the BEST part. HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #5

The unstable person is the gun vigilante BainsBane Jun 2013 #23

Is there any correlation between the unstable gun vigilante that you are imagining Bazinga Jun 2013 #37

Of course not. It's the sort of bigoted stereotype that would get a poster banned... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #59

Broken record much? rdharma Jun 2013 #87

pot.kettle.black Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #88

I'm not whining about you...... rdharma Jun 2013 #95

Well golly, I should certainly hope so! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #99

"Not much point in trolling a forum if you don't find it amusing" You would certainly know! rdharma Jun 2013 #100

Read geckosfeet posts below BainsBane Jun 2013 #105

It doesn't say anything about me. Bazinga Jun 2013 #131

No, actually I distinguish between gun owner and gun nut BainsBane Jun 2013 #139

A crucial distinction which pro-gun militants constantly, deliberately ignore. (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #153

It also pisses me off BainsBane Jun 2013 #140

Do you have any evidence that the shooters had CCWs? GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #148

And what evidence do you have to support your slanderous remarks? geckosfeet Jun 2013 #154

DIAGNOSED mental illness duhneece Jun 2013 #32

It's true that only a fraction of mental illness is diagnosed, usually estimated bbetween 25-35 % HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #142

Excellent thread. But I had to do a google search on "John McClane"....... rdharma Jun 2013 #86

You've never seen Die Hard and all the sequels? premium Jun 2013 #89

I saw the first "Die Hard" years ago. rdharma Jun 2013 #93

The sequels really sucked big time. premium Jun 2013 #94

2 was by far the worst... Pelican Jun 2013 #101

You ain't him BainsBane Jun 2013 #107

I'll meet you halfway... Pelican Jun 2013 #133

NRA certified gun training film. Hoyt Jun 2013 #137

Give it a rest Hoyt. nt. premium Jun 2013 #152

Me neither BainsBane Jun 2013 #106

K & R napkinz Jun 2013 #2

The classic "I won't pick up that dirty gun, but I'll pay someone else to do it for me" routine. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #3

I'll own that if there's a "bad guy with a gun", Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #4

Fine. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #8

Why? Will you shoot them? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #11

What do you care? geckosfeet Jun 2013 #14

... and with that answer I think we have check mate. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #20

Wow. That was an incredible response to your question. CTyankee Jun 2013 #31

Oh. Ok. I am so, so,,, geckosfeet Jun 2013 #118

Shows how much you know about Chess. Most would call it Stalemate, mate. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #125

And what "preconceived notions and fears" spur you to strap on a gun or two before venturing out. Hoyt Jun 2013 #13

I do own it. I am protecting myself. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #17

Not many "contributions" in recent years. Maybe 200 years ago. Hoyt Jun 2013 #18

Native Americans might disagree with 200 years ago, too (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2013 #35

That's true our founding fathers who owned slaves also took land from Native Americans by Hoyt Jun 2013 #46

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree that point. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #119

Yeah, wouldn't want to face facts of your little hobby. Hoyt Jun 2013 #123

I know my facts just fine. While I appreciate other opinions, geckosfeet Jun 2013 #126

See, you don't need a gun to stand your ground, no matter what gun promoters Hoyt Jun 2013 #127

get a grip dude BainsBane Jun 2013 #108

I have probably had mor background checks in the last 10 years than you ever will. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #120

Yes, I posted the OP BainsBane Jun 2013 #128

those trained professionals Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #9

Yes. But they are required to qualify according to their agency standards. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #12

But the harsh truth is, the police don't have a gun in order to protect *you* Recursion Jun 2013 #77

They protect property BainsBane Jun 2013 #163

Some yahoo toter who shoots targets that resemble humans is not a better bet than the police. Hoyt Jun 2013 #16

Especially someone who spends their life fantasizing BainsBane Jun 2013 #24

You don't know me or my training. You speak from ignorance on the topic. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #121

If you were well trained, you would not even think of toting in public. Hoyt Jun 2013 #122

That's possibly the single funniest thing I've ever read on DU. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #132

Caption: Girls laughing at yahoos strutting into gun show. Hoyt Jun 2013 #134

Fair enough...because that's pretty damn funny, too. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #136

A lot of people overestimate how much training police actually have Recursion Jun 2013 #76

Which balances out the constant underestimations the gun militancy movement puts out. (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #80

Social bargain with the devil. reusrename Jun 2013 #7

Kooky? You pay someone else to your dirty work. I call that a bargain with the devil. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #10

Way to dodge the question. reusrename Jun 2013 #30

Not it the U.S., premium Jun 2013 #40

There is a federal law that prohibits it in the US. reusrename Jun 2013 #41

What dirty work? nt. premium Jun 2013 #44

Exactly. reusrename Jun 2013 #45

If you mean carrying a firearm for personal protection, premium Jun 2013 #56

I don't have a clue of how that person thinks. reusrename Jun 2013 #68

Ahhh, now I understand your post. premium Jun 2013 #71

Why is personal safety considered "dirty work?" reusrename Jun 2013 #73

I'm not following that either, premium Jun 2013 #74

That's your fellow gunner BainsBane Jun 2013 #166

No one wants you playing cop BainsBane Jun 2013 #22

We repealed the alcohol prohibition amendment duhneece Jun 2013 #34

My son, who is a prosecutor, is in a trial now prosecuting a vigilante. I won't say where CTyankee Jun 2013 #36

"new phase" is hardening resistance to prohibition & the culture war it engenders. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #75

Gun show attendance and purchases do not equal evolution. To the contrary. (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #82

I don't know the answer to your question. My son is no doubt very current on the law CTyankee Jun 2013 #91

The "assertion" you made was not by me, review as I might. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #97

I don't understand what CN stands for. And where do you get the 80 million+ figure for CTyankee Jun 2013 #109

Connecticut. My error. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #110

well, you can't discount the amount of publicity the NRA has focused on this issue since the CTyankee Jun 2013 #111

The NRA's blather is a known quantity and has been so for years... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #115

First of all, many people regarded the Heller decision to be shocking and extreme. But CTyankee Jun 2013 #151

Read some history about 2A and you'll understand that Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #156

I realize this is the prevailing interpretation at this time, but it wasn't the case always. CTyankee Jun 2013 #159

Well, we are going over the same territory here. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #165

What evidence do you have that most homicides are committed by repeat felons? BainsBane Jun 2013 #169

I don't consider "suicides" to be "homicides," hence the distinction. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #171

DOJ considers them homicides BainsBane Jun 2013 #174

NRA propaganda not convincing anyone? BainsBane Jun 2013 #170

Perhaps you should review the requirements to amend the constitution. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #144

I understand the process. It is difficult. CTyankee Jun 2013 #145

Maybe in CT it is being talked about, not in TX. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #147

Mostly I see it online and not just on DU. But certainly, we have very liberal, progressive CTyankee Jun 2013 #149

Quite an imagination you have rl6214 Jun 2013 #138

Your fantasy has not happened in reality. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #143

If you're talking about what you do in BainsBane Jun 2013 #26

The classic "I don't need government to protect me routine" Progressive dog Jun 2013 #29

Some of us don't live within a few minutes of a fully staffed and responsive police department... Pelican Jun 2013 #50

Or, for that matter, live in places where the cops are trustworthy. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #57

Oaky, you need defense cause there is no police department within a few minutes Progressive dog Jun 2013 #63

You do know that police are not legally bound to protect individual citizens premium Jun 2013 #65

Correct... Pelican Jun 2013 #67

You didn't have to answer Progressive dog Jun 2013 #90

That makes no logical sense... Pelican Jun 2013 #98

In fact, LEOs are not charged with protecting you, and Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #66

So you gamble that a gun will protect you Progressive dog Jun 2013 #161

Lots of presumption & "creationist theory" on your part... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #164

Studies say guns cause gun deaths Progressive dog Jun 2013 #168

The cops rarely protect anyone. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #146

I've known a lot of people who want to be the good guy TlalocW Jun 2013 #55

Then they're irresponsible assholes. premium Jun 2013 #58

"No one "wants" to shoot someone." Are you sure about that? rdharma Jun 2013 #92

I think we agree on that one. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #102

gobstopper guy doesn't understand the difference between LEO and CC ileus Jun 2013 #6

If you want to play the correct nomenclature game -- common among gun cultists -- it's GOPstopper. Hoyt Jun 2013 #21

+1000 liberal N proud Jun 2013 #15

Plus one billion. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #19

Totally off-topic, but I remember when closeupready Jun 2013 #25

Well said by GOPStoppers. (nt) Paladin Jun 2013 #27

Marmel, you moron, good guys with guns includes police as well as civilians aikoaiko Jun 2013 #28

Who said we won't/can't defend ourselves. Don't need a gun to do that, although Hoyt Jun 2013 #49

Just a can of beans premium Jun 2013 #60

The author seems to be projecting his own insecurities... Pelican Jun 2013 #33

I know I would run away, Bazinga Jun 2013 #39

One of several... Pelican Jun 2013 #42

Can't fight with a weapon you don't have... hunter Jun 2013 #47

Perhaps it is there that we differ. Bazinga Jun 2013 #129

Guess what, this is not a war zone. And, guns are not only way to defend yourself or Hoyt Jun 2013 #51

Just use a can of beans or a bike tire, premium Jun 2013 #61

Better than carrying a gun while riding a bike, premium. Hoyt Jun 2013 #70

I gotta hand it to you Hoyt, premium Jun 2013 #72

Make a "tough guy" laugh -- another gunless self-defense technique. Hoyt Jun 2013 #78

Is that a movie? premium Jun 2013 #79

I cracked up watching Blazing Saddles too, although some of the language was a little much. Hoyt Jun 2013 #81

You mean this? premium Jun 2013 #83

That's it. One of the funniest comedy scenes I've seen. Of course, I'm much older now. Hoyt Jun 2013 #84

Aren't we both. premium Jun 2013 #85

But isn't having 5 AR-15's a sure fire way to get your man card issued? Dash87 Jun 2013 #64

Yep. That's what gun marketeers like Bushmaster think of their "prey." Hoyt Jun 2013 #69

So true n/t malaise Jun 2013 #38

And 99.9% of the time they WILL use a gun, it is to protect themselves from a family member or cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #43

There are about 200-250 cases of justified homicide by civilians per year with guns MillennialDem Jun 2013 #52

7x more likely BainsBane Jun 2013 #104

More about that stat. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #150

I'd be curious if you have any actual study to back up your assertion Just Saying Jun 2013 #155

Your own study supports me. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #157

No one was disputing that domestic violence increased acts of gun violence in the home. Just Saying Jun 2013 #158

Trying to leave is a highly dangerous time. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #160

Absolutely. It's absurd to think someone would be some sort of hero rrneck Jun 2013 #48

Now that is a hero, not someone who pollutes society with their guns in Hoyt Jun 2013 #53

Look up occaionally, that one went right over your head. Whooooosh. LOL. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #54

LOL. premium Jun 2013 #62

The title of this thread says it ALL! rdharma Jun 2013 #96

Wow, I guess so BainsBane Jun 2013 #103

I don't know if I'm seen them seem SO shook up! CTyankee Jun 2013 #112

I'm happy to make my BainsBane Jun 2013 #113

Good for you. I appreciate your courage to step forward and make your stand. CTyankee Jun 2013 #114

Yet another screed by someone jealous of those who prevented crime by using a gun? derby378 Jun 2013 #116

LOL BainsBane Jun 2013 #117

Hey Steve? Go fuck yourself. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #124

What a bullshit piece. I could care less what Marmel thinks. badtoworse Jun 2013 #130

Apparently a number of people care quite a bit BainsBane Jun 2013 #135

Don't mistake ridicule for agitation. badtoworse Jun 2013 #141

Moths to a flame BainsBane Jun 2013 #167

Bullshit. Wolverines!!!!1! n/t Orsino Jun 2013 #162

When there was a shooting in my office building a couple of a months ago, I can honestly say that... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #172

same with the shooting outside my house BainsBane Jun 2013 #173