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Ilsa

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165. If it is the victim's choice to not be connected

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:45 PM

Jun 2013

to the rapist, then I think there should be an abortion.

If the rapist wants an abortion for herself, fine. The victim shouldn't force her to carry the pregnancy.

But I don't think it's right for a rapist to force their victim to become a parent, whether it is a man or a woman, whether the victim has contact or responsibility, or not.

In three out of four possible scenarios, there would be an abortion because the victim doesn't want to bring a child into the world sharing DNA with a rapist, or because the rapist herself wants an abortion.

Frankly, I don't know why that's so hard to understand. People have the right to decide who they create a baby with, and it needs to be mutual. People search for years for a mate to procreate with. Why would anyone, male or female, abandon their standard because of a rape?

I don't think anyone, male or female, who is victimized should be forced to become a parent (present or not) because they've been raped.

You don't like forced abortion. I don't like forced pregnancy and forced parentage for men any more than for women.

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11-Year-Old Boy Impregnates Friend�s Mom [View all] jakeXT Jun 2013 OP

Sick, sick, SICK DiverDave Jun 2013 #1

Not "get rid of that baby" Aerows Jun 2013 #16

does no one here read? TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #28

Thank goodness Aerows Jun 2013 #34

One of these days, that poor kid is going to learn about his birth parents derby378 Jun 2013 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #2

That's your response to an 11 year old being raped & exploited like this? hlthe2b Jun 2013 #8

There are ~7,000,000,000 people on this planet. Absolutely everything that you can imagine, Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #21

That you make light of pedophilia says everything I (or anyone here) needs to know hlthe2b Jun 2013 #22

Yeah, well enjoy the rage. I'll be losing much sleep over your opinion, I'm sure. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #30

Nice try, but NO. undeterred Jun 2013 #31

Not trying anything. But it is reassuring to know that it is still simplicity itself to Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #44

It's curious that you had those so readily available at your fingertips Orrex Jun 2013 #48

Yeah, it took all of a minute to scroll down the page. Another curious thing Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #63

Well, I've seen your posts. Orrex Jun 2013 #68

Let me highlight the pertinent parts of your comment MattBaggins Jun 2013 #87

Why yes. I think that I made it perfectly clear that your opinion, as well as that of the rest Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #94

Posting about a child rape in Penthouse undeterred Jun 2013 #69

Swing and a fucking miss... n/t Earth_First Jun 2013 #50

So it is funny because worse things happen daily. LOL, you are a class act. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #65

So you're not going to join my fan club? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #67

sick puppy. Whisp Jun 2013 #92

I said "if the victim's parents support it." I also said Ilsa Jun 2013 #79

Don't get upset about anything because something worse may happen. Oh. Kay. uppityperson Jun 2013 #107

+1 In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #49

Fucking disgusting Cal Carpenter Jun 2013 #53

Wow, classy. A normal person would self delete. I doubt you will. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #60

Oh, and here's another one. Oh my... Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #64

Sick post by you. No one is defending it but you. And you still are trying. Some idiots have.... Logical Jun 2013 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #70

he's the DUer that jokes about raping kids. and the jury let it stand. what a pile of shit. bettyellen Jun 2013 #78

Rape In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #3

Poor kid Aerows Jun 2013 #17

It didn't say anything about the principal calling child protective services. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #23

It's in one of the links within the article Shrek Jun 2013 #37

Thank you. My computer service is slowing me down again. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #39

After a couple of beers, safeinOhio Jun 2013 #4

You really think this is fucking funny? 11 year old raped and you make a sick joke. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #62

Jury Results aikoaiko Jun 2013 #84

The boy was raped. Why does the article's headline not indicate this? Orrex Jun 2013 #5

CNN wrote the headline mercuryblues Jun 2013 #14

I know. Orrex Jun 2013 #15

They don't call it "rape" when it's a girl victim either gollygee Jun 2013 #83

Good point--it should be called what it is in all cases Orrex Jun 2013 #86

This, exactly. The 11 year old boy did not impregnate anyone. The 36 year old woman raped the Squinch Jun 2013 #128

This stuff is common in Japanese porn. Archae Jun 2013 #6

I seriously doubt that AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #108

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #7

This woman needs to be charged for rape boston bean Jun 2013 #9

Absolutely Aerows Jun 2013 #18

Yes. nt LWolf Jun 2013 #99

grrrrrrr SummerSnow Jun 2013 #10

I believe this might be the one time that a forced Ilsa Jun 2013 #11

Unbelievable......... ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #61

She's a rapist and a pedophile. Ilsa Jun 2013 #76

She is a rapist and a pedophile and woman and a human whopis01 Jun 2013 #90

So it's okay if a person has a child out there, Ilsa Jun 2013 #93

If they don't want to know - yes whopis01 Jun 2013 #116

This is about The Victim having the choice Ilsa Jun 2013 #137

Even criminals have human rights. whopis01 Jun 2013 #158

Thank you and exactly. eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #144

If a woman raped a man at gunpoint and got pregnant, the choice is STILL up to her. The pregnant uppityperson Jun 2013 #120

This isn't about her stealing from a dollar store. Ilsa Jun 2013 #136

I am saying no one should force any woman to have an abortion, period. CHOICE is choice. uppityperson Jun 2013 #143

And I'm saying when there is a victim involved, Ilsa Jun 2013 #151

There can be things put in place to not have contact. If the victim gets pg, then it is her choice. uppityperson Jun 2013 #155

So if it is the victim's choice whopis01 Jun 2013 #159

If it is the victim's choice to not be connected Ilsa Jun 2013 #165

To simply say that I "don't like forced abortion" misses the point of my argument whopis01 Jun 2013 #166

That would have the victim sacrifice his Ilsa Jun 2013 #167

That is not a fundamental right. And "An abortion, especially if medical, is noninvasive"? What? uppityperson Jun 2013 #168

Your Wiki definitions Ilsa Jun 2013 #169

Your goalpost changing does not go unnoticed. eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #170

Amen TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #150

Agree, the person raped gets to decide. cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #164

Wow. WVU Jun 2013 #12

Where in here are you reading comments Aerows Jun 2013 #19

try #2 and #4 for starters n/t TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #26

My bad Aerows Jun 2013 #33

You might take another look at replies 2 & 4 Orrex Jun 2013 #27

Sorry, I didn't get the jokes Aerows Jun 2013 #32

Yeah, we're on the same page about that. Orrex Jun 2013 #38

And it's sick as hell Aerows Jun 2013 #40

and a 4-2 jury considered it comedy gold TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #52

Good grief Aerows Jun 2013 #54

same for the other one except results 3-3 TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #58

Pretty much Aerows Jun 2013 #72

Yes, Skinner failed on the Jury system. It is basically worthless now. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #74

The jury system is a fucking joke. In the old days the Admins would have locked the POS. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #71

I would have locked a bunch of things in this thread Aerows Jun 2013 #73

yep. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #75

Hello ~ WVU In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #24

Thanks! WVU Jun 2013 #43

It's nothing to laugh about. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #47

I was just going to say the same thing TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #25

Thanks! WVU Jun 2013 #41

Correction. Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #160

Women are horny as hell at the age B Calm Jun 2013 #13

What the hell? Aerows Jun 2013 #36

Sigh! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #42

Are you fucking serious?? a la izquierda Jun 2013 #77

Three stooges voted to keep this post Scootaloo Jun 2013 #103

There is something so sick about the jurying in this thread Number23 Jun 2013 #119

What the fuck would you know about women? one_voice Jun 2013 #118

A woman is so horny she drugs an 11 yr old and rapes him? Good lord, it isn't about being "horny" uppityperson Jun 2013 #121

What? Texasgal Jun 2013 #134

Jesus Christ. This is not about "horny" women. MadrasT Jun 2013 #139

There are so many things wrong with that Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #161

not sex- it's called rape of a child or pedophilia sigmasix Jun 2013 #20

+1 n/t Aerows Jun 2013 #35

People need to know chervilant Jun 2013 #29

+1 ... and it's good to see people picking up on the way these things are framed redqueen Jun 2013 #110

"36-year old adult rapes 11-year old child". Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #46

Headline should read: Friend's mom rapes 11 year old boy Sanity Claws Jun 2013 #51

NZ laws are different- Present legislation stipulates the crime of rape applies only when men force Sunlei Jun 2013 #55

omg. sick. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #56

She belongs in Sudden Valley rucky Jun 2013 #57

I have 2 young sons. I find nothing hilarious or sexually titillating about this story at all. Butterbean Jun 2013 #59

That poor kid. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #80

On an entirely different line of thought.... Bigmack Jun 2013 #81

It's child sexual abuse. End of story. n/t duffyduff Jun 2013 #82

Someone whose opinion I do respect asked me to delete my post, so it's gone. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #85

In other words, rather than remaining silent Orrex Jun 2013 #88

Oh my, a personal attack from a hall-monitor, how ever will I cope? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #96

Why don't you tell us more about how trivial you consider child rape to be? Orrex Jun 2013 #97

I don't (despite your pejorative). I consider you trivial. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #98

Well, everyone in this thread recognizes you to be a rape comedian Orrex Jun 2013 #105

Oh my, whatever shall I do? You have all been such a wonderfully tolerant and Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #111

You do indeed carry on. Orrex Jun 2013 #117

And yet, you seem to suffer from some sort of keyboard compulsion that just won't let you walk away. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #123

As a rape comedian, you have no credibility in judging others Orrex Jun 2013 #135

If I'm the comedian, why is it that I'm the one laughing at you? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #141

I suppose you might be laughing at me because you're a simpleton Orrex Jun 2013 #147

+1,000,000,000. Thank You. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #131

Thanks the gods you're here to save us from non-stories like this... kiva Jun 2013 #89

Thank whatever delusion you like. Your opinions shall remain insignificant. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #95

I'm sure they now respect you a little less. demmiblue Jun 2013 #106

I'm really impressed that you thought so much of me that you spent the time Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #112

YW... it took me approximately ten seconds, so no biggie. demmiblue Jun 2013 #115

rape is a non-story? BainsBane Jun 2013 #109

You know, not commenting on the deletion would have preserved the msanthrope Jun 2013 #113

But that would have given the impression that I give a shit what you think, Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #125

Yes--on a thread about child rape, you laughing and having fun is entirely appropriate.... msanthrope Jun 2013 #126

If you're not going to be any more creative than that the audience is going to lose interest. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #133

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA???? Initech Jun 2013 #91

was the woman charged with Rape ? JI7 Jun 2013 #101

According to NDJ World , who also covered the story... Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #130

They really need to change that law. KitSileya Jun 2013 #156

This case seems to be sparking talks about changing it. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #157

It is definitely a start. KitSileya Jun 2013 #163

What a bullshit law. HappyMe Jun 2013 #162

That woman deserves to be put away for a long, long time duuser5822 Jun 2013 #102

lets pray for all involved mgcgulfcoast Jun 2013 #104

Sad, but it's not a new thing. n/t AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #114

Headline should have read-- Woman rapes 11 year old boy. MerryBlooms Jun 2013 #122

I think so! Quantess Jun 2013 #124

More on the story... Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #127

The school knew and did nothing. mimi85 Jun 2013 #129

I think we all know who you mean. I'm floored by the depths of creepiness that one sank to. Squinch Jun 2013 #132

I could throw up. tblue Jun 2013 #138

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #140

Shh. You must never admit that here. The arbiters of morality have spoken and no Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #142

Rape jokes are not funny except to rapists and their ilk. eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #145

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #148

If you think an eleven year old is fair game, you are pretty fucked up. demmiblue Jun 2013 #146

Thank you jurors or MIRT. uppityperson Jun 2013 #149

Yep, but it seems others have the same proclivities. demmiblue Jun 2013 #153

Yes indeed. Orrex Jun 2013 #154

"...woman gave the boy beer and then later took part in a sexual encounter with him. " alp227 Jun 2013 #152