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158. None of those people are going to respond to you in any way that approaches

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:13 PM

Jun 2013

good sense. They are making a show for the lurkers out there who don't know DU's internal politics. It's chaff. A distraction.

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Snowden basically admits the "direct access" claim was bullshit. [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP

This is going beyong mere political interest JW2020 Jun 2013 #1

why would you except anything this guy says warrior1 Jun 2013 #3

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Jun 2013 #7

Now you are maligning and impugning the poster, and that's not appreciated. MADem Jun 2013 #10

I agree with the post in it's entiriety...the OP seems to have a very specific axe to grind... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #17

Who are you to tell people what they're "allowed" to be interested in? MADem Jun 2013 #19

+1 Progressive dog Jun 2013 #54

Who are you? Marr Jun 2013 #77

I'm pointing out the irony. MADem Jun 2013 #87

"low post count posters and newcomers" JW2020 Jun 2013 #96

No, I'm simply observing the obvious. MADem Jun 2013 #104

STASI was not NAZI JW2020 Jun 2013 #111

History sure is something--you might want to stop laughing and get up off the floor. MADem Jun 2013 #123

to be fair and balanced, the west recruited the nazi's that the stasi didnt Monkie Jun 2013 #131

So? MADem Jun 2013 #139

south america? where the US loved to support dictators and overthrow democracies Monkie Jun 2013 #145

Start a thread on this topic somewhere else and I'll be happy to play in your sandbox. MADem Jun 2013 #151

To your posts...I gots to say...YUP! SoapBox Jun 2013 #99

+1000 graham4anything Jun 2013 #105

You ought to take your own advice. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #109

You might do the same, instead of chasing me round with pithy MADem Jun 2013 #129

I would imagine it's no less, no no more fair a question to ask why one may defend LanternWaste Jun 2013 #73

$TOP IT TRUEBRIT Skittles Jun 2013 #178

Please excuse JW2020 Bradical79 Jun 2013 #18

I'll repeat what I said upthread. MADem Jun 2013 #22

Agenda alright JW2020 Jun 2013 #27

If we want to talk about agendas, you showed up just in time to MADem Jun 2013 #34

hmm... ucrdem Jun 2013 #50

Epic Smackdown! Thank you. You definitely cracked the poster's mirror, and his irony meter. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #52

If repeating bullshit is an "epic smackdown". Bradical79 Jun 2013 #56

Much as when we call a thing... LanternWaste Jun 2013 #81

If that is epic in your point of view JW2020 Jun 2013 #74

Enjoy your stay! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #92

!!! JW2020 Jun 2013 #107

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #133

Inform the STASI!!!!!!!!!!! JW2020 Jun 2013 #71

This is your 72nd post here--all on the same "Snowden" meme. MADem Jun 2013 #82

And you have 87 thousand JW2020 Jun 2013 #84

Yes, I do--on a variety of topics. They're not ALL SNOWDEN, ALL THE TIME. MADem Jun 2013 #89

Sounds like a first world problem JW2020 Jun 2013 #91

And that "First World Problem" phrase sounds rather "lame hipster." MADem Jun 2013 #101

That cuts both ways. Marr Jun 2013 #75

You do know that Obama is the President of the United States? MADem Jun 2013 #95

C'mon-- this is something that been gone over and over. Marr Jun 2013 #106

That entire construct is just absurd. MADem Jun 2013 #115

Did you not start this entire thing by questioning the interests of another poster? Marr Jun 2013 #142

No--I was questioning the RUDENESS of a poster, who was MADem Jun 2013 #146

You're right, after reading through that exchange... Marr Jun 2013 #148

No problem. I don't have any trouble learning something new about this matter. MADem Jun 2013 #149

Thank you for saying this. Raine1967 Jun 2013 #152

You are most welcome. MADem Jun 2013 #153

thank-you! Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #165

I see link and quote from Pro and none from you, whom am I to believe? Regards uponit7771 Jun 2013 #26

WOW! JW2020 Jun 2013 #21

You're getting off to a fine start, insulting another DUer for asking a reasonable question. MADem Jun 2013 #44

Sounds like you got a regular STASI network JW2020 Jun 2013 #65

Again... MADem Jun 2013 #108

Oh my god! JW2020 Jun 2013 #110

Like I said elsewhere--stop laughing, and get up off the floor. MADem Jun 2013 #141

He sets the example usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #67

Facts? Demit Jun 2013 #118

Yeah, facts would be appreciated. MADem Jun 2013 #124

Thank you for the quick reply! I know you are very busy in this thread, Demit Jun 2013 #137

This is not ABOUT "agreeing with the OP" and if you read the points I was making MADem Jun 2013 #138

The OP did not say you can't listen in using SIGINT. You are paraphrasing. Demit Jun 2013 #154

ANSWER the OP then. Develop the conversation. MADem Jun 2013 #157

A conversation develops according to how the first one to speak speaks. Demit Jun 2013 #159

The OP is a she, and I wouldn't have a problem if someone posted a response entitled MADem Jun 2013 #161

I am not interested in yet another explication of how mean other people were in this thread Demit Jun 2013 #162

Well, perhaps your best bet would have been to pass this thread by, entirely! MADem Jun 2013 #163

Thank you MADem! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #173

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #11

I've seen that suggested before. JW2020 Jun 2013 #14

And I was on the 5-1 jury that hammered that suggestion. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #140

Thank you! ucrdem Jun 2013 #147

Another thanks nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #183

Can we stay on topic please uponit7771 Jun 2013 #25

The poster's purpose is to try and derail the thread--that much is obvious. nt MADem Jun 2013 #46

A page out of the OP's own playbook -nt Bradical79 Jun 2013 #61

lol, no kidding. Marr Jun 2013 #86

LOL LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #94

Oooo, you have so many links! That is so impressive!! Demit Jun 2013 #128

Well, if that is true, the place to point it out is in the thread in question--not MADem Jun 2013 #127

If this one gets derailed there are 50 more to choose from! JW2020 Jun 2013 #68

Seems sort of obsessive, this continued swirl of posts from the OP. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #125

Your point? nt sheshe2 Jun 2013 #174

I doubt it's anything personal. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #177

kr warrior1 Jun 2013 #2

Yes, he did. Now he says 'direct access' means the phone metadata. randome Jun 2013 #4

The word "upstream" on the slide Greenwald released destroyed his claim Recursion Jun 2013 #5

Thanks, you hater you! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #6

DU Rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #8

He's using agency buzzwords to try to make it look like he's not MADem Jun 2013 #9

Put tinfoil above the brass-and-Bakelite key you use to send with riqster Jun 2013 #15

I may put on my pasta strainer, too, just to be safe!!! nt MADem Jun 2013 #24

It's a super-secret program called HOKES riqster Jun 2013 #36

Hee hee! nt MADem Jun 2013 #47

Pasta strainers are ineffective, they found a way to exploit the holes. Rex Jun 2013 #60

I'll line it with a metal bowl, just to be safe! nt MADem Jun 2013 #132

Now he's protesting on behalf of people outside the U.S. randome Jun 2013 #12

His claim doesn't even make sense ProSense Jun 2013 #20

what the hell does he mean by this? Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #168

When I read his explanation or so-called "answer"... Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #166

More Lies. They are not backing away from their initial claims at all usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #13

The should, there's NOTHING showing dedicated or even VPN connection to these company uponit7771 Jun 2013 #28

The people who have firsthand knowledge say you are wrong usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33

False, there's no network engineer from the NSA making these claims other than him uponit7771 Jun 2013 #37

Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room at AT&T usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #53

AT&T is not google, I'm talking about his claim that they have DIRECT ACCESS to google .... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #57

He posted TOP SECRET government documents that say that usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #64

False, he posted a powerpoint that makes a claim...I'm asking the HOW on the claim now.... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #79

FYI: just because it's a PowerPoint doesn't make it not TOP SECRET Document usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #83

I don't care if it's ultrasecret, the issue is the content...the PP didn't show HOW the NSA had uponit7771 Jun 2013 #88

note how prosense selectively quotes, and knows no shame, makes the pigs in 1984 look honest Monkie Jun 2013 #32

You fail to mention the leftover whistle blowers from the Bush admin, your last sentence was spin uponit7771 Jun 2013 #49

if that is true and you can prove it i will gladly retract and apologise for that small detail Monkie Jun 2013 #58

No, fuck that come correct...you're telling me that the OP is BS and then place BS in a post about uponit7771 Jun 2013 #70

so 2 of the 6 were bush hold overs if i read the article correctly, so my minor point still stands. Monkie Jun 2013 #85

Doesn't make different if it was one, the statement makes it seem like Obama is being a heavy uponit7771 Jun 2013 #90

you dont think, but it is proven the quotes are selective, and not just in this case. Monkie Jun 2013 #113

Yes. As well as many others usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #59

Obama has prosecuted leakers, not whistleblowers. randome Jun 2013 #63

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #72

Yep, they collect all information, every key stroke, and they can investigate every means of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #48

"The. cause..." Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #170

Hey, that has been revealed by some of his fans. They seem to think this is for freedom, uses Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #172

If your claim was true, you'd be able to provide some documentation. jeff47 Jun 2013 #144

Not for the sophists it wouldn't because now we have TOP SECRET Documents usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #155

None of those people are going to respond to you in any way that approaches Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #158

Yep. Another misleading headline, always designed to smear Snowden. reformist2 Jun 2013 #16

This Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #31

That is what straw men are all about. zeemike Jun 2013 #122

It's Newspeak tblue Jun 2013 #130

I wish I had a good answer for that... zeemike Jun 2013 #143

"What in the world are they trying to protect?" or destroy Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #160

+1, I don't see any dedicated lines switches etc....not even dedicated VPN connections to uponit7771 Jun 2013 #23

what's complete shit, is your op cali Jun 2013 #29

This thread should be taken down Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #30

If you don't think it does... gcomeau Jun 2013 #39

Apparently you don't Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #43

We're really not, but keep telling yourself that. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #45

Hey be my guest Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #51

********THANK YOU PROSENSE*********** Snowden is making a claim and has shown NO PROOF uponit7771 Jun 2013 #35

Direct access to the databasees IS direct access B2G Jun 2013 #38

Try to pay attention to *which* databases are being talked about. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #41

He changed what he was talking about. He now says 'direct access' means the phone metadata. randome Jun 2013 #66

Wait. What? Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #80

Just a tiny one. Internet, encrypted text files, it's all the same to a computer 'genius'. randome Jun 2013 #103

No proof of dedicated connecton, B2b or even VPN connection beyond googles DMZ to a back end uponit7771 Jun 2013 #76

The internet is not a single network, but numerous networks JoePhilly Jun 2013 #156

it's a series of tubes.... reusrename Jun 2013 #176

you seem to have trouble following the conversation reorg Jun 2013 #40

A fresh opportunity to debunk the totalitarians! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #42

Getting ahead of the "Obama will defend NSA in the coming days" story HuffPo had up, I see MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #55

Gawd. When does Julian make a guest appearance ucrdem Jun 2013 #62

Got anything more compelling than icons to back your assertion? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #69

"Look at the shiny object here while the Govt vacuums up all your data from fiber optic cables" dkf Jun 2013 #78

Exactly right dkf fasttense Jun 2013 #97

Chief Justice Roberts appoints the FISA court tblue Jun 2013 #119

If you took those FISA judges and moved them enmasse to the Supreme Court this place would erupt dkf Jun 2013 #150

Thanks ProSense! Iliyah Jun 2013 #93

and what did Nadler (D) say ? KurtNYC Jun 2013 #98

Both? Go Vols Jun 2013 #171

So all the pearl clutchers were wrong, huh? Zoeisright Jun 2013 #100

No, ProSense's Title is not supported by the content of the post at all. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #117

The OP is right Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #102

Thank you. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #164

Indirect access vs. direct access is a fake difference. All access is indirect or direct limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #112

Do you know what a secure FTP server is? randome Jun 2013 #120

yes I do know exactly what it is. Completely irrelevant to anything. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #179

Snowden made his own determinations, too. randome Jun 2013 #180

I completely disagree with everything you just said in your post. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #182

Once again Prosense makes up a misleading title. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #114

And rather than refute the post, you bash the poster. Real smooth. MADem Jun 2013 #135

Shocking, isn't it? n/t xocet Jun 2013 #181

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #116

No. They aren't. randome Jun 2013 #121

For all ProSense Jun 2013 #134

of course the claim was a lie. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #126

So was the content claim: ucrdem Jun 2013 #136

basically? burnodo Jun 2013 #167

is it your life work to take this guy down? backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #169

Thank you ProSense, This whole story reeks~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #175