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65. A "known known". Something Rumsfeld coined.

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#Snowden: Last Word For Today, and It's For You, DU... [View all] JackRiddler Jun 2013 OP

Nah, we're more interested in why you would go through these lengths for a known known uponit7771 Jun 2013 #1

Because he is a patriot! RobertEarl Jun 2013 #6

YES, A WHISTLE BLOWING PATRIOT drynberg Jun 2013 #100

Rallywith Snowden RobertEarl Jun 2013 #110

so why would Snowden report about US spying on other countires? Abukhatar Jun 2013 #123

Other countries already know. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #127

just like we already knew... Abukhatar Jun 2013 #138

What people ? Rincewind Jun 2013 #118

I am not calling him a Hero. gholtron Jun 2013 #140

He revealed a lot which we may well have known, but... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #160

I keep seeing this statement - a ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #15

+ 1 rusty fender Jun 2013 #33

"old news" is a dismissal tactic. zeemike Jun 2013 #40

Imagine someone coming forward to provide undeniable proof 9/11 was an inside job... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #73

Spitfire, I believe you will enjoy the following. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #132

"Before you celebrate that 9/11 has been exposed,... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #158

If there's room under the bus for David Sirota Maedhros Jun 2013 #52

Thank you. Good piece. (n/t) klook Jun 2013 #135

+10000000! I can't believe tblue Jun 2013 #147

It's amusing LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #21

Yup. A nice summary. Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #23

Exactly these terror-state lackeys are jumping through hoops and denying the hoops exist simultanius Civilization2 Jun 2013 #39

You left out that they have to denigrate all that looked at the genie. There was no genie. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #72

Not only is there no genie LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #76

. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #79

+1 GoneFishin Jun 2013 #156

Ayup! Thanks! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #126

My take from your response is this: Coccydynia Jun 2013 #26

... DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #46

A "known known". Something Rumsfeld coined. grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #65

Because the mainstream media has ignored the story as they JDPriestly Jun 2013 #68

Then it's not important, so why all the fuss? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #90

Hey, you know what? That meme don't float. Th1onein Jun 2013 #92

PLONK bobduca Jun 2013 #105

EXACTLY!! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #136

I'm more interested in why you ran away railsback Jun 2013 #2

+1, for basically a non story uponit7771 Jun 2013 #3

Yeah, nothing to see here, move along...and this traitor needs to be jailed for life. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #45

In other words, you'd like to see him dead or imprisoned... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #10

Ok, now I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 55,483 railsback Jun 2013 #14

I don't need to know what you are "thinking." JackRiddler Jun 2013 #27

You just told me what I'm thinking railsback Jun 2013 #29

derpa derpa derp? frylock Jun 2013 #80

heh. Good to see you, frylock. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #125

And from that, draw both inferences and conclusions that are based LanternWaste Jun 2013 #32

Yeah, whatever. Where do you think Snowden would be "speaking" today... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #124

Is it 69? whopis01 Jun 2013 #141

Not fair railsback Jun 2013 #151

LOL! n/t whopis01 Jun 2013 #155

I'd rather see anyone who committed a crime imprisoned treestar Jun 2013 #113

Exactly. railsback is another authoritarian neurotic, obsessed with punishing people. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #142

Dumbest argument ever whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #20

Well, I guess I'd have to be a blind hero worshipper railsback Jun 2013 #28

''Because he's not an idiot, Alex?'' :-| n/t DeSwiss Jun 2013 #60

Take a look at how Manning was treated. JoeyT Jun 2013 #93

Manning released classified documents railsback Jun 2013 #95

Really? So he's not going to be arrested? JoeyT Jun 2013 #96

Its always easiest to assume the worst railsback Jun 2013 #106

Then he can't be running away from anything as he hasn't done anything. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #116

LOLOLOL! Yeah, right. Th1onein Jun 2013 #122

Obviously you are not following this story very well. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #133

Yes, so, an inaccurate PRISM Power Point presentation railsback Jun 2013 #153

Manning was in the military treestar Jun 2013 #112

Snowden isn't stupid. We both know he'd be supermaxed the instant he was caught. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #145

Yes, we are all soothsayers railsback Jun 2013 #150

We've explained it to you and your fellow authoritarians 20 times. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #154

Manning deserves what he's getting railsback Jun 2013 #157

Screw the mainstream media RobertEarl Jun 2013 #4

Snowden claims that's what the government does. randome Jun 2013 #9

+1 flamingdem Jun 2013 #11

Prove it RobertEarl Jun 2013 #17

I'm not about to attempt to prove a negative. randome Jun 2013 #31

Not very heroic of you RobertEarl Jun 2013 #36

There are a lot of people out their on tranquillizers who never JDPriestly Jun 2013 #78

+1000 n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #114

It's up to Snowden to prove it. When he shows these programs targeting Occupy Protesters... Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #35

No. It is not up to Snowden. RobertEarl Jun 2013 #38

When and where did he "show" NSA going after OSW? I am fully convinces of the technical capability.. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #44

Convinced? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #50

Nice round robin sir. But you don't get to claim such a win here. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #64

The program is a violation of the Constitution which is the highest JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83

Agreed. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #91

He has proven it. It's very simple really. No one is really disputing it anymore, either. reusrename Jun 2013 #101

Proof of NSA transcripts of US citizens Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #108

I think he has proved his main point about the analysts being able to listen in on us. reusrename Jun 2013 #109

Hong Kong is China but also not China. It's kind of in a gray JDPriestly Jun 2013 #115

+1 Progressive dog Jun 2013 #58

Metadate is ever so trivial! eridani Jun 2013 #97

Snowden has opened his mouth and now there is investigations into every aspect of his life. He Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #5

Think about it RobertEarl Jun 2013 #8

What does "what he is" (whatever the hell you think that is), morningfog Jun 2013 #12

What do you mean by warrantless access, are you following this story? Read the Patriot Act and know Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #49

Mueller suggested warrantless access. That is why I said morningfog Jun 2013 #56

Snowden is a criminal and investigations are on going, charges will be following. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #82

You have still not said why Snowden is relevant morningfog Jun 2013 #84

There are several problems with the warrants. reusrename Jun 2013 #104

That is the creepiest thing I have heard to date on this. zeemike Jun 2013 #47

I get the picture, be watching your back, they collect every stroke of the keyboard and they collect Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #51

I would like to see everyone who thinks it is fun and fair to expose JDPriestly Jun 2013 #86

Please post your browser history for the past 6 months bobduca Jun 2013 #107

So they were saving pole-dancer for the grand finale. ucrdem Jun 2013 #7

I'm not sure what the hell he's talking about Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #13

I'm waiting to see the dog. ucrdem Jun 2013 #18

But, it plays well with the Cha Jun 2013 #81

he is playing to a certain crowd JI7 Jun 2013 #128

The mainstream media (and even a few DUers) are running away from the truth. JEB Jun 2013 #16

disturbingly common on DU markiv Jun 2013 #43

Right. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #87

When someone makes fantastic claims, you want to check their veracity NightWatcher Jun 2013 #19

Yes, many of us are waiting rather than jumping on the proverbial bandwagon. October Jun 2013 #22

Fantastic claims! Unprecedented! Unverifiable! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #24

What do you think of the claims of Drake, Binney, and Wiebe? LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #25

Let's run a tally Maedhros Jun 2013 #62

Thank you LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #75

Not if that someone is a computer whiz whose job is to JDPriestly Jun 2013 #88

traitor says what? arely staircase Jun 2013 #30

The media Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #34

I'm with John........nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #131

Everyone, go check out my pole-dancing girlfriend and what I said when I was seventeen! Coyotl Jun 2013 #37

He mentioned his girl-friend?!? ucrdem Jun 2013 #41

I'm with the "show me" camp. riqster Jun 2013 #42

Authentic TOP SECRET documents aren't enough for sophists usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #48

Sophist, Schmophist. riqster Jun 2013 #67

Snowden, why aren't you here telling your story first hand? George II Jun 2013 #53

Is this a joke post? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #54

He's the altruistic martyr, isn't he? George II Jun 2013 #117

I don't get the impression you're the least bit... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #130

This. Snowden ain't stupid. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #143

The MSM is more interested Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #55

Not everything that's true needs to be new. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #57

I find the current state of the MSM 'news' Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #66

"Mainstream media" = right wing terminology michigandem58 Jun 2013 #59

Nope, the wingnuts call it "The Liberal Media" Fumesucker Jun 2013 #120

Gossip sells... and distracts.... midnight Jun 2013 #61

It also might depend if his girlfriend is really that hot nolabels Jun 2013 #137

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #63

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #69

He's a man that couldn't be bought fasttense Jun 2013 #70

oh course the media sucks, now why not tell us what about what he claims is so important JI7 Jun 2013 #71

Proud to be the 100th rec. reflection Jun 2013 #74

The "mainsteam media" is TPTB's lapdog, and... 99Forever Jun 2013 #77

I'm interested in how you were able to get out of a SCIF with top-secret documents jmowreader Jun 2013 #85

I am incredibly uninterested! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #129

I can deal with two things at once jmowreader Jun 2013 #148

They attack the messenger when they can't discuss the message. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #89

Yep.... I agree. Gin Jun 2013 #152

How do we know that it was even Snowden saying this today? blue neen Jun 2013 #94

Very good point! Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #102

I presume Glenn Greenwald knows. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #144

Presume? blue neen Jun 2013 #159

What's he think this is? A democracy? Octafish Jun 2013 #98

Is he surprised? alfie Jun 2013 #99

Whip it! K&R warrprayer Jun 2013 #103

If he cannot take the heat, he should not have done it treestar Jun 2013 #111

K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #119

;-)= !!! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #134

k&r Snowden really speaks well. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #121

K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #139

Snowden is a hero Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #146

Indeed, it is possible to disagree, possibly even inteliigently disagree about Snowden's character existentialist Jun 2013 #149

I cannot agree with character assassination. Ever. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #161

The M$M is owned by the same people that own our govt. Rex Jun 2013 #162

209 recs! Thank you. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #163