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still_one

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28. If he stayed with domestic spying that would be valid, but going international crosses the line, and

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:49 PM

Jun 2013

regardless of whether they have an idea of our methods or not, he is confirming it.

By doing this, he has essentially made this about him, and I would bet everything that he professed he wanted to expose about domestic spying, will now take a back seat.

For himself personally, if he wanted to sway the populous in the U.S., by going international, he will have lost their sympathy

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Snowden's latest leak is about our spying on Russia. Is he trying to start WW3? [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

Maybe you should ask the guys who did the spying? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #1

I'm sure thats it DJ13 Jun 2013 #2

Is he a patsy? I just wanted to throw that in there, because they are reading this. SugarShack Jun 2013 #104

bwahahahahaha. and you lot run around telling those of us who find the NSA cali Jun 2013 #3

Now look who's hair is on fire! LOL reformist2 Jun 2013 #4

It's POUTRAGE! Nothing new here, lol. morningfog Jun 2013 #11

He's trying to start something, and good for him. All of this shit being disclosed is absolute Nay Jun 2013 #5

This is news to you? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #6

Not clear whether it was an intercept -- sounds more like traffic analysis FarCenter Jun 2013 #7

How far we have been led astray. randome Jun 2013 #8

Your hero is Bond? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #17

My post has even LESS than nothing to do with the OP. It is but a jest. randome Jun 2013 #20

You forgot the obligatory visit from the head of Q Branch. longship Jun 2013 #23

Obama is set to talk privately with Putin today, ucrdem Jun 2013 #9

in the UK/EU its the british that get of worst from these leaks Monkie Jun 2013 #12

Interesting. ucrdem Jun 2013 #14

a little more then. Monkie Jun 2013 #21

Well, I just checked Google news and at the tippy top, there's Glenn ucrdem Jun 2013 #24

Here's the link: ucrdem Jun 2013 #26

you just checked collaborator news central, cool story Monkie Jun 2013 #29

No hostility, but you posted 3 poorly punctuated posts without one link ucrdem Jun 2013 #34

i didnt realise you wanted that kind of proof? i was not quoting anyone? Monkie Jun 2013 #36

here you go then Monkie Jun 2013 #45

Turkey and South Africa aren't at the G8. Russia is. ucrdem Jun 2013 #46

going all jekyll and hyde on me, mr craftsman? Monkie Jun 2013 #56

Suit yourself. ucrdem Jun 2013 #57

it was ok until you accused me of making claims and you disproving them Monkie Jun 2013 #60

Are you saying you're a Democrat? And you're in the UK? ucrdem Jun 2013 #62

I believe I've told you this before davidpdx Jun 2013 #73

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #82

oh and proof of the D-notice (censorship) served on the UK press by government Monkie Jun 2013 #48

"the Guardian is a happy little propaganda organ" says everything I need to know about you... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #43

Yes I keep hearing that. Also that Snowden is my hero. ucrdem Jun 2013 #47

Bye! truebrit71 Jun 2013 #49

Cheerio nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #51

Those were a couple of entertaining subthreads! randome Jun 2013 #61

Curiouser and curiouser. ucrdem Jun 2013 #63

& now the blue twit will have one less person to bait Kolesar Jun 2013 #78

. ucrdem Jun 2013 #107

'Propaganda' for whom? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #86

Since you asked, I laid it all out here: ucrdem Jun 2013 #94

No, that lays out nothing at all; who do you think the Guardian prints propaganda for? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #96

What are my politics? Check my sig. And what are your politics? ucrdem Jun 2013 #98

No, you don't explain anything about the Guardian's 'game' there muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #99

Let's see, who runs espionage for the foreign office? ucrdem Jun 2013 #101

The British security services - the people most embarrassed by the G20 spying story? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #103

I'm sure they were frightfully embarrassed. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #105

Have you just realised your conspiracy theory makes no sense whatsoever? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #110

Obama made his bed. I have been saying for some time morningfog Jun 2013 #10

I believe it is no more of a secret to Russia sarisataka Jun 2013 #13

Not a WWIII issue - We spy on them, they spy on us. It's expected. leveymg Jun 2013 #15

no, but by him doing this, he is no longer in a whistle blower category, but a traitor still_one Jun 2013 #16

They have an idea of our methods marions ghost Jun 2013 #22

If he stayed with domestic spying that would be valid, but going international crosses the line, and still_one Jun 2013 #28

I am glad to know what Snowden has revealed marions ghost Jun 2013 #38

So are you saying we should not have any international intelligence, which does involve spying. If still_one Jun 2013 #67

No not saying that marions ghost Jun 2013 #70

When haven't the Big 3 been spying on each other? More faux poutrage. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #18

Your making a mountain of what is not even a mole hill is really getting old. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #19

I don't think it's news that we spy on Russia & China. baldguy Jun 2013 #25

It used to be that people like him were considered traitors and spies. mzmolly Jun 2013 #27

It still is, and by saying that we are aware of changes in Russian system of spying, is the tipping still_one Jun 2013 #31

I hope he'll enjoy mzmolly Jun 2013 #54

I don't care what you call him. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #33

Is the NSA spying on me? No. mzmolly Jun 2013 #40

Yes it is and he intentionally or unintentionally has changed the message. Maybe I am wrong, but by still_one Jun 2013 #66

The "Weft, Twue Weft" have no time for such quibbles riqster Jun 2013 #37

It's crazy. mzmolly Jun 2013 #50

IIRC, judicial oversight came along towards the end of riqster Jun 2013 #53

It's complex mzmolly Jun 2013 #59

Disagreement? riqster Jun 2013 #68

Unfortunately for the rest of us leftynyc Jun 2013 #58

No, they will not accept responsibility. riqster Jun 2013 #69

I'm too old to expect leftynyc Jun 2013 #71

+1 nt riqster Jun 2013 #72

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #121

That was so beautifully put. blue neen Jun 2013 #65

Thank you for this subthread. redqueen Jun 2013 #84

Thanks back riqster Jun 2013 #87

I will loan you mine if you need it redstatebluegirl Jun 2013 #102

I'm thinking of upgrading to a union suit riqster Jun 2013 #106

Good idea! redstatebluegirl Jun 2013 #108

Speaking of these soon-to-be-elected Republicans... sibelian Jun 2013 #88

Of course not riqster Jun 2013 #90

OK, let me get this straight. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #30

Yes, but did he need to say that the NSA is watching our thoughts form and then... randome Jun 2013 #32

"Shall we play a game?" Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #35

His first answer about the US Constitution removes all claim Snowden has Progressive dog Jun 2013 #39

you missed part of that quote, by accident i presume? Monkie Jun 2013 #75

The Constitution has never applied anywhere other than the USA Progressive dog Jun 2013 #77

but the DATA collected from foreigners by US companies is stored in the USA Monkie Jun 2013 #83

Are you making the argument that the US Progressive dog Jun 2013 #92

you cant really be this stupid, i was very clear in what i said, should i draw diagrams? Monkie Jun 2013 #95

Temper, temper and you are wrong. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #97

why bring hong kong into this? nobody was talking about spying in hong kong Monkie Jun 2013 #100

Obviously Snowden brought Hong Kong into this by fleeing to there Progressive dog Jun 2013 #109

i was specifically addressing your statement and my data being held on US servers Monkie Jun 2013 #111

I don't care, you have your laws, we have ours Progressive dog Jun 2013 #113

Yes it has. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #85

Tell that to the foreign government when you break the law Progressive dog Jun 2013 #93

Your user name killed irony. eom TransitJohn Jun 2013 #115

cute, nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #116

OMG. Snowden reveals U.S. spying on Russia! railsback Jun 2013 #41

no, just for the repubs to win the 25th of June in Mass, and Oct. in NJ and they win the senate 14. graham4anything Jun 2013 #42

We've been spying on Russia since I was a child and they have been spying on us. Cleita Jun 2013 #44

No. WW3, if it starts will prob be Syria Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #52

Sorry, but I thought DU agreed he was a clown or something. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #55

He's a leaker, not a "whistle blower" and you forgot Kolesar Jun 2013 #80

Your autosignature reads: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #114

I reckon that you never donated to or knocked on one door for President Obama Kolesar Jun 2013 #118

Attack me instead of my position? Nice. ASSume I'm a fucking libertarian paulbot? Worse. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #119

Military justice is different Progressive dog Jun 2013 #112

He's a wounded animal. It will get worse as he nears his fate. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #64

you are obsessed with this guy. oh yeah, that's right he is gay and you have a problem with that. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #74

You're just making shit up and posting it on the internet Kolesar Jun 2013 #79

He's starting the Rand Paul for President 2016 campaign. FSogol Jun 2013 #76

I'm pretty sure these countries' leaders know that we've all been spying on each other! Like FOREVER WinkyDink Jun 2013 #81

Who's idea was it to farm out Turbineguy Jun 2013 #89

No no no Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #91

Sounds more like the NSA is the one doing the trying MNBrewer Jun 2013 #117

Just call 007 and Adelle. They've always saved us from these dastardly plots. leveymg Jun 2013 #120

Of course not. LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #122

We don't know what's in the thousands of documents that were stolen. pnwmom Aug 2013 #123