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ProSense

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:20 PM Jun 2013

NYT editor's blog: Snowden’s Questionable New Turn [View all]

Snowden’s Questionable New Turn

By DAVID FIRESTONE

When Edward Snowden first began leaking documents he purloined from the National Security Agency, he seemed to have a clear sense of purpose. He wanted to let Americans know that their government was secretly spying on the phone records of millions of innocent citizens, infringing on their civil liberties, and that it was demanding information on some of the Internet traffic flowing through American computer systems.

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Mr. Snowden’s actions, though illegal, exposed programs that many people, including lawmakers of both parties, believed had gone too far. The leaks showed how the intelligence community had used the cover of secrecy to expand and abuse its domestic surveillance powers, surprising even people who had written the post-9/11 laws on which these powers were supposed to be based. They have spurred a useful and important debate on whether those laws should be changed.

In the last few days, however, Mr. Snowden’s leaks have taken a questionable turn. He told the South China Morning Post that the United States had hacked into many Chinese computer systems, including those at universities and businesses. And yesterday he showed documents to the Guardian revealing that the N.S.A. and its British counterpart had spied on politicians from around the world who attended the 2009 G-20 summit in London....The N.S.A. was created to spy on overseas communications, and there is no serious debate about whether it should be doing so. Revealing that it was monitoring the computer traffic of foreign countries, and listening to their leaders, sheds no particularly useful light on the N.S.A.’s mission, or what most people believed its activities to be....In an online chat today with readers of the Guardian, Mr. Snowden expressed outrage that the United States would hack into civilian computers overseas, which he called “nakedly, aggressively criminal acts.” And he came up with an odd formulation for what the N.S.A. should and shouldn’t be doing overseas:

“Congress hasn’t declared war on the countries,” he wrote. “The majority of them are our allies, but without asking for public permission, N.S.A. is running network operations against them that affect millions of innocent people.”

So apparently he believes that the United States shouldn’t engage in spying except for countries with which it is at war. Of course, we’re not at war with any countries right now, only with Al Qaeda and its allies, so that would mean shutting down all non-terror spying activities. The idea that we should unilaterally discard a practice — however distasteful — used for centuries by virtually every country that can afford a spy service is naïve. Every industrialized country spies on every other, in part to learn just how much they are being spied on. What exactly was it he believed the intelligence world did when he first started making money by working for it?

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/17/snowdens-questionable-new-turn/

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Kick! n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #1
Snowden claims to have additional important information. longship Jun 2013 #2
He probably has critical information in a "release upon death or capture" mechanism FarCenter Jun 2013 #3
I'll say it again, ProSense Jun 2013 #4
I don't go as far as you do, my friend. longship Jun 2013 #14
I truly think he has some deep-seated anxieties. randome Jun 2013 #5
Paid $120,000 by an "intelligence" organization moondust Jun 2013 #6
FYI Scurrilous Jun 2013 #7
Why would anyone alert on a NYT editor's comment? ProSense Jun 2013 #8
"If ya ain't wit us, yer agin us!" randome Jun 2013 #9
Histrionics addiction does strange things to folks Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #11
Methinks they weren't alerting on the post content. longship Jun 2013 #16
He keeps digging his own grave deeper with each outburst. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #10
How many threads warrprayer Jun 2013 #12
Who died and made you board nanny? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #13
jury results warrprayer Jun 2013 #19
Lol.. if I were on that jury.. I would have asked.. Cha Jun 2013 #25
juror #2 warrprayer Jun 2013 #35
Are you ProSense Jun 2013 #15
not for anything warrprayer Jun 2013 #18
Agree! Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #21
NSA veteran: "So he is transitioning from whistle-blower to a traitor." ProSense Jun 2013 #22
TRANSITIONING!!!!! sibelian Jun 2013 #39
Actually it's you who looks "Rattled in your cage".. the tone of your posts Cha Jun 2013 #24
hep! hep! warrprayer Jun 2013 #26
It's more information from a noted source, NYT. longship Jun 2013 #20
so the "other side" makes just as many treestar Jun 2013 #33
The subtle difference that the elite just can't seem to wrap their heads around is TARGETED vs TOTAL usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #17
well said warrprayer Jun 2013 #23
What elite? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #27
The Corporate, Congressional, Military, Media, elite. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #28
The end is near. I saw this guy. He held a sign. He looked pretty serious. randome Jun 2013 #30
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #29
You've lost. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #31
What ProSense Jun 2013 #36
Have you posted a single OP regarding the leaks that wasn't inline with the federal government? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #37
Do you ProSense Jun 2013 #40
No, I'm going to focus on you for a bit because this needs to be dealt with. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #41
First, who the fuck do you think you are? Second ProSense Jun 2013 #42
It's not so much that you don't buy Snowden or his "bullshit." Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #43
Ah ProSense Jun 2013 #44
Yup, spying is par for the course treestar Jun 2013 #32
"naive" is putting it so very mildly. nt redqueen Jun 2013 #34
Mildly. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #38
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