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JDPriestly

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78. There are a lot of people out their on tranquillizers who never

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:30 PM

Jun 2013

worry about anything. That does not surprise me. The German people did not worry about Hitler either. They paid for it dearly.

A government that spends so much energy on surveillance of its own people and so little on their healthcare and education is headed for trouble. That's simply how life works.

Imagine parents who spend a lot of money on a home security system and let their children grow up without education. That is the situation in the US. And many of those who aren't worried about this surveillance are among those with too little knowledge of history and the world to comprehend what this kind of surveillance means for future generations.

The ignorance and willingness to be treated like dirt even among some on DU is just astounding.

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#Snowden: Last Word For Today, and It's For You, DU... [View all] JackRiddler Jun 2013 OP

Nah, we're more interested in why you would go through these lengths for a known known uponit7771 Jun 2013 #1

Because he is a patriot! RobertEarl Jun 2013 #6

YES, A WHISTLE BLOWING PATRIOT drynberg Jun 2013 #100

Rallywith Snowden RobertEarl Jun 2013 #110

so why would Snowden report about US spying on other countires? Abukhatar Jun 2013 #123

Other countries already know. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #127

just like we already knew... Abukhatar Jun 2013 #138

What people ? Rincewind Jun 2013 #118

I am not calling him a Hero. gholtron Jun 2013 #140

He revealed a lot which we may well have known, but... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #160

I keep seeing this statement - a ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #15

+ 1 rusty fender Jun 2013 #33

"old news" is a dismissal tactic. zeemike Jun 2013 #40

Imagine someone coming forward to provide undeniable proof 9/11 was an inside job... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #73

Spitfire, I believe you will enjoy the following. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #132

"Before you celebrate that 9/11 has been exposed,... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #158

If there's room under the bus for David Sirota Maedhros Jun 2013 #52

Thank you. Good piece. (n/t) klook Jun 2013 #135

+10000000! I can't believe tblue Jun 2013 #147

It's amusing LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #21

Yup. A nice summary. Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #23

Exactly these terror-state lackeys are jumping through hoops and denying the hoops exist simultanius Civilization2 Jun 2013 #39

You left out that they have to denigrate all that looked at the genie. There was no genie. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #72

Not only is there no genie LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #76

. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #79

+1 GoneFishin Jun 2013 #156

Ayup! Thanks! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #126

My take from your response is this: Coccydynia Jun 2013 #26

... DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #46

A "known known". Something Rumsfeld coined. grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #65

Because the mainstream media has ignored the story as they JDPriestly Jun 2013 #68

Then it's not important, so why all the fuss? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #90

Hey, you know what? That meme don't float. Th1onein Jun 2013 #92

PLONK bobduca Jun 2013 #105

EXACTLY!! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #136

I'm more interested in why you ran away railsback Jun 2013 #2

+1, for basically a non story uponit7771 Jun 2013 #3

Yeah, nothing to see here, move along...and this traitor needs to be jailed for life. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #45

In other words, you'd like to see him dead or imprisoned... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #10

Ok, now I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 55,483 railsback Jun 2013 #14

I don't need to know what you are "thinking." JackRiddler Jun 2013 #27

You just told me what I'm thinking railsback Jun 2013 #29

derpa derpa derp? frylock Jun 2013 #80

heh. Good to see you, frylock. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #125

And from that, draw both inferences and conclusions that are based LanternWaste Jun 2013 #32

Yeah, whatever. Where do you think Snowden would be "speaking" today... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #124

Is it 69? whopis01 Jun 2013 #141

Not fair railsback Jun 2013 #151

LOL! n/t whopis01 Jun 2013 #155

I'd rather see anyone who committed a crime imprisoned treestar Jun 2013 #113

Exactly. railsback is another authoritarian neurotic, obsessed with punishing people. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #142

Dumbest argument ever whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #20

Well, I guess I'd have to be a blind hero worshipper railsback Jun 2013 #28

''Because he's not an idiot, Alex?'' :-| n/t DeSwiss Jun 2013 #60

Take a look at how Manning was treated. JoeyT Jun 2013 #93

Manning released classified documents railsback Jun 2013 #95

Really? So he's not going to be arrested? JoeyT Jun 2013 #96

Its always easiest to assume the worst railsback Jun 2013 #106

Then he can't be running away from anything as he hasn't done anything. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #116

LOLOLOL! Yeah, right. Th1onein Jun 2013 #122

Obviously you are not following this story very well. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #133

Yes, so, an inaccurate PRISM Power Point presentation railsback Jun 2013 #153

Manning was in the military treestar Jun 2013 #112

Snowden isn't stupid. We both know he'd be supermaxed the instant he was caught. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #145

Yes, we are all soothsayers railsback Jun 2013 #150

We've explained it to you and your fellow authoritarians 20 times. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #154

Manning deserves what he's getting railsback Jun 2013 #157

Screw the mainstream media RobertEarl Jun 2013 #4

Snowden claims that's what the government does. randome Jun 2013 #9

+1 flamingdem Jun 2013 #11

Prove it RobertEarl Jun 2013 #17

I'm not about to attempt to prove a negative. randome Jun 2013 #31

Not very heroic of you RobertEarl Jun 2013 #36

There are a lot of people out their on tranquillizers who never JDPriestly Jun 2013 #78

+1000 n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #114

It's up to Snowden to prove it. When he shows these programs targeting Occupy Protesters... Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #35

No. It is not up to Snowden. RobertEarl Jun 2013 #38

When and where did he "show" NSA going after OSW? I am fully convinces of the technical capability.. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #44

Convinced? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #50

Nice round robin sir. But you don't get to claim such a win here. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #64

The program is a violation of the Constitution which is the highest JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83

Agreed. Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #91

He has proven it. It's very simple really. No one is really disputing it anymore, either. reusrename Jun 2013 #101

Proof of NSA transcripts of US citizens Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #108

I think he has proved his main point about the analysts being able to listen in on us. reusrename Jun 2013 #109

Hong Kong is China but also not China. It's kind of in a gray JDPriestly Jun 2013 #115

+1 Progressive dog Jun 2013 #58

Metadate is ever so trivial! eridani Jun 2013 #97

Snowden has opened his mouth and now there is investigations into every aspect of his life. He Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #5

Think about it RobertEarl Jun 2013 #8

What does "what he is" (whatever the hell you think that is), morningfog Jun 2013 #12

What do you mean by warrantless access, are you following this story? Read the Patriot Act and know Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #49

Mueller suggested warrantless access. That is why I said morningfog Jun 2013 #56

Snowden is a criminal and investigations are on going, charges will be following. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #82

You have still not said why Snowden is relevant morningfog Jun 2013 #84

There are several problems with the warrants. reusrename Jun 2013 #104

That is the creepiest thing I have heard to date on this. zeemike Jun 2013 #47

I get the picture, be watching your back, they collect every stroke of the keyboard and they collect Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #51

I would like to see everyone who thinks it is fun and fair to expose JDPriestly Jun 2013 #86

Please post your browser history for the past 6 months bobduca Jun 2013 #107

So they were saving pole-dancer for the grand finale. ucrdem Jun 2013 #7

I'm not sure what the hell he's talking about Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #13

I'm waiting to see the dog. ucrdem Jun 2013 #18

But, it plays well with the Cha Jun 2013 #81

he is playing to a certain crowd JI7 Jun 2013 #128

The mainstream media (and even a few DUers) are running away from the truth. JEB Jun 2013 #16

disturbingly common on DU markiv Jun 2013 #43

Right. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #87

When someone makes fantastic claims, you want to check their veracity NightWatcher Jun 2013 #19

Yes, many of us are waiting rather than jumping on the proverbial bandwagon. October Jun 2013 #22

Fantastic claims! Unprecedented! Unverifiable! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #24

What do you think of the claims of Drake, Binney, and Wiebe? LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #25

Let's run a tally Maedhros Jun 2013 #62

Thank you LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #75

Not if that someone is a computer whiz whose job is to JDPriestly Jun 2013 #88

traitor says what? arely staircase Jun 2013 #30

The media Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #34

I'm with John........nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #131

Everyone, go check out my pole-dancing girlfriend and what I said when I was seventeen! Coyotl Jun 2013 #37

He mentioned his girl-friend?!? ucrdem Jun 2013 #41

I'm with the "show me" camp. riqster Jun 2013 #42

Authentic TOP SECRET documents aren't enough for sophists usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #48

Sophist, Schmophist. riqster Jun 2013 #67

Snowden, why aren't you here telling your story first hand? George II Jun 2013 #53

Is this a joke post? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #54

He's the altruistic martyr, isn't he? George II Jun 2013 #117

I don't get the impression you're the least bit... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #130

This. Snowden ain't stupid. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #143

The MSM is more interested Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #55

Not everything that's true needs to be new. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #57

I find the current state of the MSM 'news' Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #66

"Mainstream media" = right wing terminology michigandem58 Jun 2013 #59

Nope, the wingnuts call it "The Liberal Media" Fumesucker Jun 2013 #120

Gossip sells... and distracts.... midnight Jun 2013 #61

It also might depend if his girlfriend is really that hot nolabels Jun 2013 #137

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #63

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #69

He's a man that couldn't be bought fasttense Jun 2013 #70

oh course the media sucks, now why not tell us what about what he claims is so important JI7 Jun 2013 #71

Proud to be the 100th rec. reflection Jun 2013 #74

The "mainsteam media" is TPTB's lapdog, and... 99Forever Jun 2013 #77

I'm interested in how you were able to get out of a SCIF with top-secret documents jmowreader Jun 2013 #85

I am incredibly uninterested! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #129

I can deal with two things at once jmowreader Jun 2013 #148

They attack the messenger when they can't discuss the message. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #89

Yep.... I agree. Gin Jun 2013 #152

How do we know that it was even Snowden saying this today? blue neen Jun 2013 #94

Very good point! Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #102

I presume Glenn Greenwald knows. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #144

Presume? blue neen Jun 2013 #159

What's he think this is? A democracy? Octafish Jun 2013 #98

Is he surprised? alfie Jun 2013 #99

Whip it! K&R warrprayer Jun 2013 #103

If he cannot take the heat, he should not have done it treestar Jun 2013 #111

K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #119

;-)= !!! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #134

k&r Snowden really speaks well. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #121

K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #139

Snowden is a hero Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #146

Indeed, it is possible to disagree, possibly even inteliigently disagree about Snowden's character existentialist Jun 2013 #149

I cannot agree with character assassination. Ever. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #161

The M$M is owned by the same people that own our govt. Rex Jun 2013 #162

209 recs! Thank you. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #163