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Vietnameravet

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6. I never believed him..

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:41 PM

Jun 2013

When you think about it, it's a question of whether or not you believe President Obama when he said he had approved the programs and that they had sufficient safeguards in place.

I believe Obama. If I did not I would not have voted for him.

I understand as a citizen in times like these I must allow for some government secrecy..and I cant help but compare those that want no such spying with those that want no gun control..both in the name of "protecting their freedom"..

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Why I’ve lost faith in NSA-leaker Edward Snowden. by John Aravosis [View all] warrior1 Jun 2013 OP

i was never given a reason in the first place to have faith in him JI7 Jun 2013 #1

He transitioned from curiosity into dumbass in about four hours Kolesar Jun 2013 #4

Nothing that was revealed about spying at the G20 is of any surprise or consequence. leveymg Jun 2013 #56

I'm curious: did he actually release documents, or was it something said in an interview? arcane1 Jun 2013 #2

this was part of a leak about UK economic spying at the G20, link to docs Monkie Jun 2013 #7

A very good point here BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #3

More importantly if he's opposed to the entire notion, why would he protect two countries who are okaawhatever Jun 2013 #46

People have been self-immolating at a pretty alarming rate in Tibet BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #48

Well, warrior1 Jun 2013 #5

"against the law" marions ghost Jun 2013 #8

Anything wrong with democracy? randome Jun 2013 #14

Thank you thank you thank you.. for the heads up on Charlie Pierce, warrior.. Cha Jun 2013 #17

Your welcome cha warrior1 Jun 2013 #24

In the course of doing some research on a thread I posted yesterday, I came HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #65

the elected officeholders are complaining that they were not sufficiently informed pre-Snowden carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #23

the elected officeholders didn't go to the appropriate security briefings. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #42

I remember when Josh was doing MUCKRACKING... He was SO GOOD THEN... KoKo Jun 2013 #34

who is Charlie Pierce? I'd love for a few more view points on issues. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #41

I never believed him.. Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #6

When you think about it Hissyspit Jun 2013 #16

As we can see, this debate crosses political lines frazzled Jun 2013 #9

thank-you for this healthy dose of reasonng! Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #22

Not "Anarchy and Order" but about Fundamental Rights of Privacy of the People built KoKo Jun 2013 #36

I wish you would fashion this into its own OP and elaborate on its themes. It's HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #69

I've been rather quiet on this subject frazzled Jun 2013 #71

My thoughts are equally swirly right now - like when you shake one of those HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #72

FYI: he didn't go and 'help the russians' he exposed this massive spy network to the whole world n/t usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #10

honestly, it's no secret lanlady Jun 2013 #11

Positively Fourth Street warrprayer Jun 2013 #12

I never had ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #13

That's not the important issue here. The fact that he had a questionable girlfriend is SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #27

*hanging my head in shame* ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #29

Sure, that'll work SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #31

Thanks. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #33

thanks for helping prove that Snowden's asskissers are the ones bringing up his girlfriend. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #45

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Only those wishing to shout (Squirrel) and SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #50

Which document...the one he released to the Chinese VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #35

Read the articles and listen to the videos ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #39

I have....and no I don't! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #40

The former NSA ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #43

Did HE produce this document? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #55

Somebody did. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #60

But HE didn't VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #61

Actually the three former NSA employees did credit him with releasing this document. n/t ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #64

Actually today......those STILL employed there testified he was lying VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #66

and you seriously mean the Powerpoint? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #67

No - there are videos of interviews with three former NSA employees. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #68

Quit changing the subject VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #70

did Snowden have definitive proof of this spying on Russia's former president? Whisp Jun 2013 #15

It would be super creepy if he gets a hardcore following that flamingdem Jun 2013 #18

We certainly don't need two groups like that on DU, one is more than enough n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #19

Are you skeptical of Snowden's motives or statements? flamingdem Jun 2013 #20

Site one legitimate reason... 99Forever Jun 2013 #21

Because he outed Guckert/Gannon!111 bobduca Jun 2013 #44

And? 99Forever Jun 2013 #57

I agree, not impressed with his logic bobduca Jun 2013 #58

Cool... 99Forever Jun 2013 #59

It's possible Snowden is being blackmailed jmowreader Jun 2013 #25

I am sure his work contemporaries are not exactly thrilled with this "dropout" meanwhile they VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #38

That's right - they should have hired George W. Bush! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #49

Boy, that's a stretch... jmowreader Jun 2013 #53

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #26

And the commie under the bed rears it's ugly head nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

Helpin' the Ruskies! Bonobo Jun 2013 #30

Well the terrorist under the bed has lost some allure nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #32

Who?? avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #37

and thank you for proving people simply ignore opinions/information if it doesn't confirm their bias KittyWampus Jun 2013 #47

like your bias as an example? avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #51

"Those revelations stand on their own merits " burnodo Jun 2013 #52

Well, that would be fine and dandy IF railsback Jun 2013 #54

If you ever had faith in him to begin with. Aerows Jun 2013 #62

R# 16 & K for, but he's a saint don-cher-know and we're all Authoritarian useful idiots!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #63