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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:24 PM Jun 2013

Edward Snowden, my book with Scott Ritter, and the art of exploiting the messenger vs. the message [View all]

Last edited Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:22 AM - Edit history (3)

He went to China. He seems too coached in his remarks. His girlfriend was a pole-dancer. He was a bad neighbor. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Edward Snowden is experiencing one of the more broad-spectrum efforts at character assassination in recent memory after his deliberate exposure of the far-reaching nature of NSA domestic surveillance. It's an old trick. Shit on a critic from great height, shit on a critic with great volume, in the hope that the critic becomes entombed in shit and loses their viability as a critic.

Disclaimer: I don't give much of a damn about Edward Snowden. I give a very large series of damns about the information he revealed, as should any thinking American in my personal opinion. Attacking his character, his girlfriend, his travel plans etc. is a shortcut to thinking, a way to tamp down revelations that this administration, like the previous administration, has been peeking through a lot of windows in ways the American people need to be aware of. Snowden attacks = Obama defense, in my humble o, and it's a pretty gruesome display from a lot of people who spent a lot of time attacking Bush on similar grounds not so long ago. But IOKIYBO appears to be the rule of the day.

In the summer of 2002, eight months before the invasion and occupation of Iraq, I co-authored a book titled "War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know" with former weapons inspector Scott Ritter. The book we created, to this day, was dead-bang right not only about Iraq's lack of WMD, about Iraq's lack of al Qaeda/September 11 connections, but very accurately predicted the bloodbath shitshow that would take place if the invasion and occupation were to take place. Eleven years later, that book stands up to any test you want to give it, and it was Scott Ritter who provided the facts that make the book absolutely unimpeachable.

The final two paragraphs of Scott Ritter's Wikipedia page:

Ritter was detained in April 2001 and arrested in June 2001 in connection with police stings in which officers posed as under-aged girls to arrange meetings of a sexual nature. The first incident did not lead to any charges. He was charged with a misdemeanor crime of "attempted endangerment of the welfare of a child" after the second, but charges were dropped after he completed six months of probation and the record was sealed on condition that he avoid further trouble for a period of time. After this information was made public in early 2003, Ritter said that the timing of the leak was politically motivated.

Ritter was arrested again in November 2009 over communications with a police decoy he met on an Internet chat site. Police said that he exposed himself via a web camera after the officer said she was a 15-year-old girl; Ritter said he was not made aware of the ostensible age of his correspondent before the act. The next month, Ritter waived his right to a preliminary hearing and was released on a $25,000 unsecured bail. Charges included "unlawful contact with a minor, criminal use of a communications facility, corruption of minors, indecent exposure, possessing instruments of crime, criminal attempt and criminal solicitation". Ritter rejected a plea bargain, testified in his trial and was found guilty of all but the criminal attempt count in a Monroe County, Pennsylvania courtroom on April 14, 2011. In October 2011 he received a sentence of one and a half to five and a half years in prison.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter#Arrests_and_conviction

I am not going to speak to Ritter's guilt or innocence regarding these charges; he had a lawyer and a trial and a jury, and it is what it is. But the revelation in February 2003 effectively removed him, and our book, from the debate over the war a month before the war kicked off...and the book was right, he was right, we were right, and now a lot of people are dead even though we were right.

Scott Ritter's personal failings doomed his message. The people who wanted to entomb him in shit to shut him up did not have to work hard to do so...but even with all that shit, there remains the pesky fact that he was 100% spot-on correct about the war, its aftermath and its eventual outcome.

People are currently attempting to entomb Snowden in shit because they don't like his message...and no one has accused him of anything even remotely as serious as what Ritter was accused and eventually convicted of...and yet so many have already decided he's just another shitbag to be ignored.

My point: separate the man from the message. Scott Ritter was a deeply flawed man according to the courts, but a lot of people would be alive if his message had been allowed to stand on its merits instead of getting dragged down and erased with him.

Snowden is one thing. His message is another. As someone with personal experience in watching a good message get destroyed by attacks on the messenger, I implore you not to let it happen in this case.

I don't give a damn about Snowden, and I don't give a damn about Ritter.

I give many damns about the information they have to offer.

As should you.

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A cleaned up version of this is here: http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18032-snowden-ritter-messenger

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And Julian Assange, and Dr. Kelly... Gregorian Jun 2013 #1
And Karen Silkwood suffragette Jun 2013 #16
And what "insider" information did the government have on Ritter, iemitsu Jun 2013 #76
Like I said in the discussion on the "spying on American citizen"-issue... ReRe Jun 2013 #86
Thanks so much for the link. iemitsu Jun 2013 #91
Here are some more great links in case you want to... ReRe Jun 2013 #93
Cool. iemitsu Jun 2013 #94
And Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Elliot Spitzer... cascadiance Jun 2013 #78
It's one thing to do character assassinations against witnesses in a court during a trial, etc... cascadiance Jun 2013 #80
And Drake and Binney and Bradley Manning among others. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #116
I want the truth without damning the person who is brave enough to speak about it. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #2
That's nice, but he was lying. ucrdem Jun 2013 #3
how many hours ago were you accusing me of not providing links/facts? Monkie Jun 2013 #6
I read it. What lies have you documented? I found no obvious lies. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #12
Doesn't matter. Cha Jun 2013 #26
Care to elaborate on what he was lying about? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #114
i remember how important ritter was, he had huge credibility as a "inside" man n/t Monkie Jun 2013 #4
Ritter was character assassinated. ucrdem Jun 2013 #5
acussing him of being a commie paid up agent of china based on a newspaper interview? Monkie Jun 2013 #8
Really? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #10
Calling a poseur a poseur is not character assassination ucrdem Jun 2013 #14
he`s doing a good job destroying his character Abukhatar Jun 2013 #73
Here, I explained it: ucrdem Jun 2013 #11
K & R HangOnKids Jun 2013 #7
Snowden is a male model playing this week's Libertarian martyr. ucrdem Jun 2013 #9
"Character assassination." Hissyspit Jun 2013 #13
It explains why he was lying: ucrdem Jun 2013 #17
No, it doesn't. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #22
And 9/11 was staged as was the moon landing? LOL JDPriestly Jun 2013 #84
Do you honestly think this B-movie espionage is commendable? ucrdem Jun 2013 #85
And Clapper was CEO of Booz Allen, a multi-billion dollar 'Security Corp' now cast as Director of sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #117
*Psssst* (it insinuates that he's G.A.Y.) MNBrewer Jun 2013 #35
You're the only one saying GAY on this thread, brewer eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #72
If that's what you think, Kolesar, if that's what you think MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74
You skyrocketed to the zenith of mediocrity on the Snowden topic, Brewer Kolesar Jun 2013 #75
oh PLEASE accuse me of being a troll, PLEASE!!!!!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #15
link?facts? as a 17 year old nerd he was interested in manga/comics and that crowd Monkie Jun 2013 #18
Here: ucrdem Jun 2013 #19
selective quotes from a long Q&A quelle surprise Monkie Jun 2013 #28
Im going to plonk that poster HangOnKids Jun 2013 #20
a snake under a rock that you cant see is more of a danger Monkie Jun 2013 #34
What's that got to do with anything? Modeling is proof of what, in your mind? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #21
He's an actor playing a role. He's also lying: ucrdem Jun 2013 #25
You offer no proof of your assertion. Having done modling work does not Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #39
But backpedaling on his earlier statements proves he was lying. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #40
Off topic, non responsive, I asked you what point you attempt to make by saying Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #42
Snowden's lies are off topic? ucrdem Jun 2013 #47
Non responsive to what you were asked. You back peddle. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #51
I answered your questions and your insinuations are out of line. Adios, I'm ignoring you. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #55
Ignore me too. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #98
Are the three other former NSA employees also lying? ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #52
"male model"... You know! *wink, wink* MNBrewer Jun 2013 #37
It is amazing that this bigoted shit is allowed here. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #41
Well, Snowden IS a little well-coiffed, if you know what I mean, *wink, wink* MNBrewer Jun 2013 #44
THANK YOU, UCRDEM Maedhros Jun 2013 #50
As Josef Stalin's secret police chief Lavrenti Beria put it: newblewtoo Jun 2013 #23
No, his lies are what condemn him. He's whining because there ARE restriction. He is an idiot. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #24
he said there is no technical restriction stopping him, just policy Monkie Jun 2013 #31
So running to Hong Kong, releasing national security documents, claiming that the NSA... randome Jun 2013 #81
Tell me how difficult it is to change a policy MNBrewer Jun 2013 #38
condemned whining idiot fellators bobduca Jun 2013 #49
Ohhh, you mentioned fellatio! Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #79
Kitty needs to take that penis out of Kitty's mouth before calling people fellators Dragonfli Jun 2013 #108
Wow. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #112
Now you've done it, Will pscot Jun 2013 #27
No one is tossing anyone under the bus. ucrdem Jun 2013 #29
I've been tossed under the DU bus so many times WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #30
at least some people are learning a valuable lesson, those that have never seen this before Monkie Jun 2013 #33
More impressively, according to one poster, you're able to fellate Snowden from under the bus. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #57
Big K. Big R (nt) Vanje Jun 2013 #32
Thank you for this Will! KoKo Jun 2013 #36
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #43
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #45
Spot on Mr. Pitt. I've said that I don't care about Greenwald or Snowden Triana Jun 2013 #46
I do give a damn do you care if someone lies and betrays secrets to others that may result in a Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #48
He will be the book, and the policy in question merely a footnote... LanternWaste Jun 2013 #53
interesting comparison. I care about Snowden xiamiam Jun 2013 #54
Hear! Hear!! ReRe Jun 2013 #90
K&R n/t myrna minx Jun 2013 #56
good post/example stupidicus Jun 2013 #58
Well said, though that will not stop the totalitarians from attacking him to distract usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #59
Oh, poor Mr. Ritter had his sexual attraction to children exploited. randome Jun 2013 #60
Yes,and maybe he was a snot eater too, so what? 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #62
I agree. But isn't the reverse true? randome Jun 2013 #65
That is not the comparison being made, and you know it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #64
I agree they were not and are not relevant. randome Jun 2013 #66
Thanks Will, but your post proves what some woman, who was Cleita Jun 2013 #61
I am not one to accept conspiracies. In fact I almost always mock conspiracy theories. But it just Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #63
The only thing I care about with respect to Snowden The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #67
When he doesn't show evidence of his wild claims, everyone defaults to character and credibility. randome Jun 2013 #68
Yes, that. /\ /\ /\ DeadLetterOffice Jun 2013 #113
Thank you Will. Very thoughtfully written. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #69
Snowden has hardly had "broad-spectrum efforts at character assassination" Kolesar Jun 2013 #70
K & R. marmar Jun 2013 #71
They went after Ritter for sure malaise Jun 2013 #82
I have warned about falling for these one-sided morality standards JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83
K&R Jamastiene Jun 2013 #87
K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #88
K&R Zorra Jun 2013 #89
k&r nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #92
WP - I Agree - All Americans - All At DU Should Be Outraged At The Dismemberment Of The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jun 2013 #95
Great post! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #96
I cleaned this up and made it a BuzzFlash blog WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #97
k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #99
Ritter is/was a hero. Lindbergh is/was a hero RVN VET Jun 2013 #100
I care about Ritter riverwalker Jun 2013 #101
Zahn is a tool RVN VET Jun 2013 #103
I care about Mr Ritter too ... mntleo2 Jun 2013 #118
Thing for me is timdog44 Jun 2013 #102
"Snowden attacks = Obama defense" Gore1FL Jun 2013 #104
You are all crazy fjlovato Jun 2013 #105
You might want to tone down that 'crazy' talk but I know what you mean. randome Jun 2013 #106
When do you ever sleep? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #107
? WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #109
I was thinking you got a new born and manage to write an essay every day. You're the iron man lib! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #110
Ah. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #115
Character assassination = he's telling the Truth. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #111
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