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Whisp

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15. did Snowden have definitive proof of this spying on Russia's former president?

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:33 PM

Jun 2013

or is he just sayin' stuff and people believe him.

I wouldn't be surprised if that does happen, the spying part. Not at all.

What I'm surprised at, if he isn't showing real evidence (something he stole that can be used as proof) to support what he says - then he can just make any shit up and people will believe him!

Next Snowden Twit: Obama really is a Muslim. I gots the info, you just have to take my word for it.

I don't understand why people don't see the possible danger in this.

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Why I’ve lost faith in NSA-leaker Edward Snowden. by John Aravosis [View all] warrior1 Jun 2013 OP

i was never given a reason in the first place to have faith in him JI7 Jun 2013 #1

He transitioned from curiosity into dumbass in about four hours Kolesar Jun 2013 #4

Nothing that was revealed about spying at the G20 is of any surprise or consequence. leveymg Jun 2013 #56

I'm curious: did he actually release documents, or was it something said in an interview? arcane1 Jun 2013 #2

this was part of a leak about UK economic spying at the G20, link to docs Monkie Jun 2013 #7

A very good point here BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #3

More importantly if he's opposed to the entire notion, why would he protect two countries who are okaawhatever Jun 2013 #46

People have been self-immolating at a pretty alarming rate in Tibet BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #48

Well, warrior1 Jun 2013 #5

"against the law" marions ghost Jun 2013 #8

Anything wrong with democracy? randome Jun 2013 #14

Thank you thank you thank you.. for the heads up on Charlie Pierce, warrior.. Cha Jun 2013 #17

Your welcome cha warrior1 Jun 2013 #24

In the course of doing some research on a thread I posted yesterday, I came HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #65

the elected officeholders are complaining that they were not sufficiently informed pre-Snowden carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #23

the elected officeholders didn't go to the appropriate security briefings. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #42

I remember when Josh was doing MUCKRACKING... He was SO GOOD THEN... KoKo Jun 2013 #34

who is Charlie Pierce? I'd love for a few more view points on issues. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #41

I never believed him.. Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #6

When you think about it Hissyspit Jun 2013 #16

As we can see, this debate crosses political lines frazzled Jun 2013 #9

thank-you for this healthy dose of reasonng! Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #22

Not "Anarchy and Order" but about Fundamental Rights of Privacy of the People built KoKo Jun 2013 #36

I wish you would fashion this into its own OP and elaborate on its themes. It's HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #69

I've been rather quiet on this subject frazzled Jun 2013 #71

My thoughts are equally swirly right now - like when you shake one of those HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #72

FYI: he didn't go and 'help the russians' he exposed this massive spy network to the whole world n/t usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #10

honestly, it's no secret lanlady Jun 2013 #11

Positively Fourth Street warrprayer Jun 2013 #12

I never had ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #13

That's not the important issue here. The fact that he had a questionable girlfriend is SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #27

*hanging my head in shame* ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #29

Sure, that'll work SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #31

Thanks. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #33

thanks for helping prove that Snowden's asskissers are the ones bringing up his girlfriend. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #45

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Only those wishing to shout (Squirrel) and SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #50

Which document...the one he released to the Chinese VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #35

Read the articles and listen to the videos ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #39

I have....and no I don't! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #40

The former NSA ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #43

Did HE produce this document? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #55

Somebody did. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #60

But HE didn't VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #61

Actually the three former NSA employees did credit him with releasing this document. n/t ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #64

Actually today......those STILL employed there testified he was lying VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #66

and you seriously mean the Powerpoint? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #67

No - there are videos of interviews with three former NSA employees. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #68

Quit changing the subject VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #70

did Snowden have definitive proof of this spying on Russia's former president? Whisp Jun 2013 #15

It would be super creepy if he gets a hardcore following that flamingdem Jun 2013 #18

We certainly don't need two groups like that on DU, one is more than enough n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #19

Are you skeptical of Snowden's motives or statements? flamingdem Jun 2013 #20

Site one legitimate reason... 99Forever Jun 2013 #21

Because he outed Guckert/Gannon!111 bobduca Jun 2013 #44

And? 99Forever Jun 2013 #57

I agree, not impressed with his logic bobduca Jun 2013 #58

Cool... 99Forever Jun 2013 #59

It's possible Snowden is being blackmailed jmowreader Jun 2013 #25

I am sure his work contemporaries are not exactly thrilled with this "dropout" meanwhile they VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #38

That's right - they should have hired George W. Bush! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #49

Boy, that's a stretch... jmowreader Jun 2013 #53

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #26

And the commie under the bed rears it's ugly head nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

Helpin' the Ruskies! Bonobo Jun 2013 #30

Well the terrorist under the bed has lost some allure nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #32

Who?? avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #37

and thank you for proving people simply ignore opinions/information if it doesn't confirm their bias KittyWampus Jun 2013 #47

like your bias as an example? avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #51

"Those revelations stand on their own merits " burnodo Jun 2013 #52

Well, that would be fine and dandy IF railsback Jun 2013 #54

If you ever had faith in him to begin with. Aerows Jun 2013 #62

R# 16 & K for, but he's a saint don-cher-know and we're all Authoritarian useful idiots!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #63