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flamingdem

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:39 PM Jun 2013

Edward Snowden: China's Useful Idiot? (The Atlantic) [View all]

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/06/edward-snowden-chinas-useful-idiot/276914/

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Ironically, then, the country that benefits most from Snowden's revelations isn't the United States but rather China, on whose sovereign territory he now resides. This rather unusual landing spot has elicited suggestions -- from the likes of former US Vice President Dick Cheney, among others -- that Snowden was in fact a Chinese double agent all along, an idea that clearly amuses him. When asked about this possibility during his Guardian chat, Snowden replied that if he were a Chinese spy, he'd be "living in a palace petting a phoenix by now."

Snowden claims to have had no contact with the Chinese government, but it's unclear how much this matters: Chinese intelligence are believed to occupy several floors of a building located near the hotel where Snowden first surfaced in Hong Kong, and, as Evan Osnos notes, it's likely Beijing has kept close watch of his whereabouts. China also has the right, under Hong Kong's Basic Law, to block any attempted extradition of Snowden in the interests of national security, a solution that the nationalist newspaper The Global Times has already advocated. According to a poll, China's population opposes Snowden's extradition by a significant margin, and the American has emerged as something of a folk hero in the country.

Whatever China decides to do, Snowden's sudden appearance in Hong Kong is a major symbolic gift for a country that had been on the defensive about its own cyber-snooping program. When the U.S. security firm Mandiant announced that China's military practiced cyber-espionage of military and corporate secrets from an unmarked building in Shanghai, Beijing responded that the U.S. was guilty of this behavior, too -- and now, thanks to Snowden, we know they're right. Secondly, the irony that an American dissident chose to flee to a Chinese territory isn't lost on China, which has seen a number of its disgruntled citizens seek refuge in the United States. Whatever actual intelligence China gathers from Snowden, these gains are highly valuable.

In any case, Snowden doesn't seem all that concerned about China. When The Guardian's Spencer Ackerman asked him to address rumors that he'll exchange U.S. secrets with China in exchange for asylum, Snowden dismissed them as old-fashioned "red-baiting." Maybe so -- but it's difficult to escape the sense that Snowden has sacrificed his life and freedom for the benefit of China, a country whose record on issues like state surveillance seems to contradict the very principles Snowden supports.

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Good post Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #1
It's very odd. ucrdem Jun 2013 #3
Well I should have read this first! flamingdem Jun 2013 #10
Protective my ass. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #15
But it happens to be true. Without intelligence we will experience more attacks. flamingdem Jun 2013 #17
This is not intelligence. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #20
Yes some innocent people get their emails read Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #23
Easy solution for that. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #25
Great Dont read the email of a suspected terrorist because he might be innocent. Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #28
boston marathon bombing? did you hear about that? frylock Jun 2013 #34
Are you innocent? sibelian Jun 2013 #53
Not logical marions ghost Jun 2013 #42
thanks for a thoughtful post flamingdem Jun 2013 #46
Later marions ghost Jun 2013 #50
They are not extracting data to get terrorists. sibelian Jun 2013 #51
Do yoiu agree with the NRA that restricting our guns is a violation of our rights Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #21
Do you agree with the NSA reading the e-mails of American citizens? Daniel537 Jun 2013 #22
I think that in the course of an investigation Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #26
I don't have to answer shit, pal. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #27
Okay pal Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #29
It's totalitarian to allow investigation? treestar Jun 2013 #37
This ^^^^^^ treestar Jun 2013 #36
People aren't considering that these programs may be part and parcel of our victory against okaawhatever Jun 2013 #30
I haven't been able to get past this exact fact flamingdem Jun 2013 #44
I believe a good portion of those posting lately may not have the best intentions of DU or the okaawhatever Jun 2013 #45
true, this is Democratic Underground and we are about getting Democrats flamingdem Jun 2013 #47
They aren't interested in terrorism. sibelian Jun 2013 #52
He saw how much attention Julian got treestar Jun 2013 #2
You know Julian Cha Jun 2013 #6
It's the pictures that got small ucrdem Jun 2013 #8
Good one, Norma! johnp3907 Jun 2013 #32
ready for my closeup, Mr Greenwald ucrdem Jun 2013 #40
Oh, child, Assange weighed in on this days ago Number23 Jun 2013 #31
The plot sickens! treestar Jun 2013 #33
Oh gaaawd.. he's such a Cha Jun 2013 #4
BWAHAHA ucrdem Jun 2013 #7
Will the Paulbots take on the five o'clock shadow? flamingdem Jun 2013 #11
I'm ordering my Snowden glasses now ucrdem Jun 2013 #12
And an extra one in the back like an eyeball flamingdem Jun 2013 #14
And a pole ucrdem Jun 2013 #24
I hope he knows Chinese treestar Jun 2013 #35
We'll see what happens.. we know by his actions he Cha Jun 2013 #38
Let's never criticize the US government, because some other country always looks better. /sarcasm reformist2 Jun 2013 #5
Snowden is the World's Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #9
+1 n/t ozone_man Jun 2013 #43
Who cares where he ends up? Daniel537 Jun 2013 #13
you said it warrprayer Jun 2013 #16
Yeah, you guys are breaking new ground with your insights Kolesar Jun 2013 #54
and yours warrprayer Jun 2013 #55
Cuba would want nothing to do with him flamingdem Jun 2013 #18
Cuba has taken in Americans for less and more than what Snowden has to offer. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #19
Interesting. (no text) Quantess Jun 2013 #39
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #41
I'll be really interested to hear what the numerous Chinese dissidents who've fled from China Number23 Jun 2013 #48
Don't forget that human rights record Franker65 Jun 2013 #49
Possibly, Snowden is sitting in a palace petting a phoenix right now. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #56
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