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Samantha

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43. I think there are disturbing points on both side of the aisle

Reply to redstatebluegirl (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:51 PM

Jun 2013

I have not posted an opinion yet because I believe there are more facts that will surface which will influence my final decision one way or another.

I have been here since 2001, and believe me, I have had my fair share of extremely negative, pointed feedback. In all sincerity, when one posts his or her true feelings on an issue and receives horrendous personal insults as a result, I think the poster should ignore that response. We have a handful of people that can be extremely offended by views contrary to their own. This is a website where issues should be debated, not a place where posters attempting to express their honest misgivings about a situation should be personally insulted. So keep your chin up and learn when to ignore that which is out of place in an honest debate.

Sam

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The Snowdon Controversy on DU [View all] redstatebluegirl Jun 2013 OP

Well said. blue neen Jun 2013 #1

yes, i am one of those who hopemountain Jun 2013 #103

Very well said. nt mimi85 Jun 2013 #132

If you bring much-needed objectivity to the issues, then you DO belong here, IMO. randome Jun 2013 #2

I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #3

There is no debate when people attack each other. Debate is a give and take thing and all sides Lint Head Jun 2013 #4

welcome to the jungle warrprayer Jun 2013 #5

From what I see here on DU. Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #6

. Squinch Jun 2013 #7

This is exactly what I would expect from a board that encourages a diversity of views no matter still_one Jun 2013 #8

I don't believe the pro-privacy people have objected to an open debate. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #88

Who is to judge what is "beneath" du? still_one Jun 2013 #91

The same ad hominem attacks we despise of the teabaggers are beneath DU. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #115

Of course, that is what opinions are for. The argument that Snowden isn't here to defend himself still_one Jun 2013 #117

His STATEMENTS are subject to criticism. No question about that. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #121

A-men! The character assassination should indeed be beneath DU. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #126

ok, Snowden makes you a little nervous Enrique Jun 2013 #9

wrong question. How does President Eric Cantor/Paul Ryan 2015 sound if the repubs win senate/house14 graham4anything Jun 2013 #20

the OP didn't say she was acting as a Democratic operative Enrique Jun 2013 #25

I am answering your post. I am wary of history repeating itself. And I no longer assume anything. graham4anything Jun 2013 #34

I think you're on to something. Why is this issue about Snowden and not the facts? And why in the... marble falls Jun 2013 #71

Now I am laughing, I am not any type of operative :-) redstatebluegirl Jun 2013 #42

Just remember this,,, zeemike Jun 2013 #41

You're absolutely correct. I, myself wonder how this whole privacy thing has taken on a life of it's okaawhatever Jun 2013 #44

Inability to honestly consider the negatives of having freelancing 20-somethings decide what risks patrice Jun 2013 #114

LOL. You are such a card. The Republicans will not impeach Pres Obama because he believes rhett o rick Jun 2013 #123

Dear redstatebluegirl, OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #23

At least someone gets it. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #37

Dear redstatebluegirl, timdog44 Jun 2013 #53

I tried to explain this before & got jumped giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #93

Right RobertEarl Jun 2013 #98

What I'm saying is giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #100

Not quite RobertEarl Jun 2013 #105

I'm calling bs giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #109

That's just what I thought you'd say RobertEarl Jun 2013 #112

no I didn't giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #144

Well said ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #10

Josh Marshall, wise man, compares it to the OJ trial BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #11

DU and TPM are pretty much all the news sources I need. Josh is good. randome Jun 2013 #87

Thanks for that sanity. nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #108

Sorry, but I'm not trading my privacy for ANYTHING or ANYBODY Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #12

Dear redstatebluegirl, OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #28

Hmmmm. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #38

Yep. Summed it nicely. Number23 Jun 2013 #58

^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #29

With or against. Black and white. This is the type of absolutism that that does not belong... Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #33

You are right about absolutism zeemike Jun 2013 #45

While they do not have literal arrest power, they have plenty of power to ruin your life. jeff47 Jun 2013 #49

Well I am on the side of no compromise with evil. zeemike Jun 2013 #83

I don't give a flying fuck about healthy debate Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #51

Dear redstatebluegirl, OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #62

What Downtown Hound said Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #63

x2 truebrit71 Jun 2013 #146

"healthy debate".... sibelian Jun 2013 #162

This is a global controversey, do not be afraid, and rejoice that you are able to participate usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #13

Good common sense comment. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #14

+1! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #27

Thanks for a sane comment flamingdem Jun 2013 #15

It actually crossed my Cha Jun 2013 #19

Cha, I actually wrote some of what he was saying yesterday! flamingdem Jun 2013 #24

Thank you so much, flamindem. Cha Jun 2013 #32

haw! flamingdem Jun 2013 #39

ROFL Yep! nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #52

"Honky please"???? Number23 Jun 2013 #106

I don't like the division that this (& other controversial topics) creates, & I don't participate pacalo Jun 2013 #16

Has given up privacy made you more secure? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #17

I don’t know … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #104

Thanks for asking that question. I'm trying to figure this out. patrice Jun 2013 #118

I have asked this same question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #120

Of course you don't know. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #171

I think you mean $8 billion, not $80 billion. bornskeptic Jun 2013 #110

NSA's annual budget is $80 billion, 70% goes to private contractors. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #170

thank-you Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #18

Mahalo redstatebluegirl! Cha Jun 2013 #21

We are pretty much doing what we should be doing. If this were a right wing....... wandy Jun 2013 #22

Yes we are. zeemike Jun 2013 #47

I guess, we will see … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #107

So you are willing to give up your rights to win an election? zeemike Jun 2013 #111

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #116

Well tell us...how has that worked for you in the past? zeemike Jun 2013 #137

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #149

Well I am glad it has worked out well for you. zeemike Jun 2013 #152

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #156

zeemike, there ARE competing principles; those with different opinions from yours are not patrice Jun 2013 #119

Life itself is a god damn risk. zeemike Jun 2013 #136

K&R for a thoughtful post. :) n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #26

I feel your pain & understand where you giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #30

Great post. Number23 Jun 2013 #56

Thank you giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #77

LOL! Mind if I sit with you?? Number23 Jun 2013 #79

not at all giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #86

Two great posts... Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #84

"Pretty much kills any prospect for honest discussion." Bobbie Jo, I think that's actually the plan Number23 Jun 2013 #85

Thanks, I can't tell you giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #90

K&R! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #31

I was trying to figure out why the "trash" LWolf Jun 2013 #35

This board has been to some significant extent dedicated to attacking PO ever since Robert Gibbs' patrice Jun 2013 #122

"There is a great and very dangerous assumption in thinking LWolf Jun 2013 #158

Glad to have you on record about that. Maybe I should just ask that question more often. nt patrice Jun 2013 #169

Well, the Dems can only go so far with the "We are better than the GOP" as their motto. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #36

I respectfully disagree. Either you support the constitutional rights of the people or you do not. Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #40

Except opinions differ on the details of those rights. jeff47 Jun 2013 #46

Using that logic a "search warrant" of Fed Ex allows the government to open every package... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #55

Not at all. FedEx does not own the packages. AT&T owns the metadata. jeff47 Jun 2013 #70

meta-data is a red-herring as the whistle blowers, and now the NSA's OWN TOP SECRET DOCS have shown usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #57

Blasphemer!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2013 #61

"But your position does not allow that debate to proceed." sibelian Jun 2013 #163

IMO, the data should be stored by an entity that has no incentive to misuse it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #166

How many dead people is your version of the constitution worth, Chris? We NEED to know & patrice Jun 2013 #124

Millions. That's how many have already died for the rights some choose to flush... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #129

And you don't think those deaths will make your hopes less likely not more? Those deaths won't patrice Jun 2013 #130

I would hope the millions who have already died are enough... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #133

Do you think each one of those millions should be asked if they choose to die for "the principle"?nt patrice Jun 2013 #131

I suspect they will know and accept the risk... Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #135

Accepting and choosing can be 2 extremely different things. & That difference matters to the patrice Jun 2013 #138

I think there are disturbing points on both side of the aisle Samantha Jun 2013 #43

Thanks Sam, I need to remember this! redstatebluegirl Jun 2013 #164

With all due respect Coccydynia Jun 2013 #48

Well, on China jeff47 Jun 2013 #65

Let's review your counter examples: Coccydynia Jun 2013 #82

They covered the gates to Tiananmen Square first. jeff47 Jun 2013 #89

I'm not asking the government to prove a negative Coccydynia Jun 2013 #127

K&R I've been saying that for a while. That DU needs to drop this subject altogether Number23 Jun 2013 #50

Silencing passionate debate on this matter is just what a totalitarian would do, too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #60

Thanks for agreeing. I say the same thing every time an article from an opposing position Number23 Jun 2013 #64

I am strongly disagreeing with the subject of your post usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #66

That was a post, dear. Not an OP. Number23 Jun 2013 #67

And I still strongly disagree with it, dollface. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #73

That's your prerogative to do so. Just as it's mine to not really care all that much if you do Number23 Jun 2013 #74

see, now your getting it ;) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #75

There was nothing to ever "get". Done here. Number23 Jun 2013 #76

Totalitarian!!11one Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #97

Wow bobduca Jun 2013 #69

I'll use my flowing tears to season my sandwich... Number23 Jun 2013 #72

Correction: I just remembered that Mr. Scorpio had a great piece questioning Snowden Number23 Jun 2013 #101

Sorry, hard for me to have a discussion with someone with no critical thinking or harun Jun 2013 #54

Conversely, it could have been Bozo the Clown, Adolf Hitler, or Gallagher blue neen Jun 2013 #68

Shouldn't give anyone our blind trust. We should look at what he has and make up our minds. harun Jun 2013 #148

That is what I will be doing, making up my own mind. blue neen Jun 2013 #161

Do you feel bigger insulting people? redstatebluegirl Jun 2013 #168

I vote issues, not party or politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #59

Thank you for voicing something that goes unsaid too often here. DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #78

The only relevant point sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #80

Did Obama's appt. of Rahm Emmanuel as his first Chief of Staff make you nervous? MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #81

Why should you distrust following Ron Paul in this case. ozone_man Jun 2013 #92

I don't "follow" racists in any case. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #99

Rand, and therefore I would assume Ron, Paul is protecting wide-open PRIVATE assault weapons patrice Jun 2013 #128

"Both" opinions? cprise Jun 2013 #94

Clearly DU has become the Snowdon Discussion Board ThoughtCriminal Jun 2013 #95

Meh, these kerfluffles flare up on DU from time to time. Thicker skin lets you get past them. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #96

I agree with most of what you have written … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #102

If we had a clue of how to run a political party this would not divide us. reusrename Jun 2013 #140

Democrats do a pretty good job ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #151

That sounds like the tactics that got us here in the first place. reusrename Jun 2013 #154

More reason ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #157

Not really. reusrename Jun 2013 #159

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #160

What about the fuckin' boxes! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #113

What really disgusts me is the character assassination. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #125

We agree about that. The first and strongest turn-off for me in most cases (except patrice Jun 2013 #134

The controversy is over losing privacy, not some guy named Snowden Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #139

Giving up privacy after 9/11, pole dancing, and his love affair with China? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #141

Snowden glows in the dark. sibelian Jun 2013 #142

Fuckin' A brilliant! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #145

Grant Morrison fan? randome Jun 2013 #150

party/presidential loyaly trumps the truth. remember the freepers with bush? boilerbabe Jun 2013 #143

I will say this though, it has made filling up my ignore list alot simpler.... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #147

Good OP Gothmog Jun 2013 #153

You've been reading Will Rogers. asjr Jun 2013 #155

Snowden isnt the important issue. He just opened the box. We need to look into the box to see if rhett o rick Jun 2013 #165

+1 Vanje Jun 2013 #167