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xiamiam

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54. interesting comparison. I care about Snowden

Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:01 PM

Jun 2013

I cared about Scott Ritter too. I care about them in the same way I care about young soldiers going to war, or people protesting on Wall Street or in Egypt or Turkey. I care about people who risk themselves or credibility for our common ideals. I don't want to ever not care. Im really not interested in their personal lives insofar as they have not committed a crime. I don't think whistleblowing is a crime. Truth tellers have a way of ending up getting smeared and even worse, in prison or dead. Its disappointing about Ritter because he WAS telling the truth...screaming from mountaintops...and he screwed up. I don't get online porn or sex or deviancy but a lot of people seem to be doing it. Its as baffling to me as an act of violence toward another. I get what you are trying to say and I am glad its about the issues which I agree with, but I don't think its a legitimate comparison and I think we should care about the people who risk their safety and security to move us forward.

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Edward Snowden, my book with Scott Ritter, and the art of exploiting the messenger vs. the message [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2013 OP

And Julian Assange, and Dr. Kelly... Gregorian Jun 2013 #1

And Karen Silkwood suffragette Jun 2013 #16

And what "insider" information did the government have on Ritter, iemitsu Jun 2013 #76

Like I said in the discussion on the "spying on American citizen"-issue... ReRe Jun 2013 #86

Thanks so much for the link. iemitsu Jun 2013 #91

Here are some more great links in case you want to... ReRe Jun 2013 #93

Cool. iemitsu Jun 2013 #94

And Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Elliot Spitzer... cascadiance Jun 2013 #78

It's one thing to do character assassinations against witnesses in a court during a trial, etc... cascadiance Jun 2013 #80

And Drake and Binney and Bradley Manning among others. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #116

I want the truth without damning the person who is brave enough to speak about it. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #2

That's nice, but he was lying. ucrdem Jun 2013 #3

how many hours ago were you accusing me of not providing links/facts? Monkie Jun 2013 #6

I read it. What lies have you documented? I found no obvious lies. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #12

Doesn't matter. Cha Jun 2013 #26

Care to elaborate on what he was lying about? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #114

i remember how important ritter was, he had huge credibility as a "inside" man n/t Monkie Jun 2013 #4

Ritter was character assassinated. ucrdem Jun 2013 #5

acussing him of being a commie paid up agent of china based on a newspaper interview? Monkie Jun 2013 #8

Really? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #10

Calling a poseur a poseur is not character assassination ucrdem Jun 2013 #14

he`s doing a good job destroying his character Abukhatar Jun 2013 #73

Here, I explained it: ucrdem Jun 2013 #11

K & R HangOnKids Jun 2013 #7

Snowden is a male model playing this week's Libertarian martyr. ucrdem Jun 2013 #9

"Character assassination." Hissyspit Jun 2013 #13

It explains why he was lying: ucrdem Jun 2013 #17

No, it doesn't. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #22

And 9/11 was staged as was the moon landing? LOL JDPriestly Jun 2013 #84

Do you honestly think this B-movie espionage is commendable? ucrdem Jun 2013 #85

And Clapper was CEO of Booz Allen, a multi-billion dollar 'Security Corp' now cast as Director of sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #117

*Psssst* (it insinuates that he's G.A.Y.) MNBrewer Jun 2013 #35

You're the only one saying GAY on this thread, brewer eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #72

If that's what you think, Kolesar, if that's what you think MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74

You skyrocketed to the zenith of mediocrity on the Snowden topic, Brewer Kolesar Jun 2013 #75

oh PLEASE accuse me of being a troll, PLEASE!!!!!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #15

link?facts? as a 17 year old nerd he was interested in manga/comics and that crowd Monkie Jun 2013 #18

Here: ucrdem Jun 2013 #19

selective quotes from a long Q&A quelle surprise Monkie Jun 2013 #28

Im going to plonk that poster HangOnKids Jun 2013 #20

a snake under a rock that you cant see is more of a danger Monkie Jun 2013 #34

What's that got to do with anything? Modeling is proof of what, in your mind? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #21

He's an actor playing a role. He's also lying: ucrdem Jun 2013 #25

You offer no proof of your assertion. Having done modling work does not Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #39

But backpedaling on his earlier statements proves he was lying. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #40

Off topic, non responsive, I asked you what point you attempt to make by saying Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #42

Snowden's lies are off topic? ucrdem Jun 2013 #47

Non responsive to what you were asked. You back peddle. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #51

I answered your questions and your insinuations are out of line. Adios, I'm ignoring you. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #55

Ignore me too. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #98

Are the three other former NSA employees also lying? ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #52

"male model"... You know! *wink, wink* MNBrewer Jun 2013 #37

It is amazing that this bigoted shit is allowed here. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #41

Well, Snowden IS a little well-coiffed, if you know what I mean, *wink, wink* MNBrewer Jun 2013 #44

THANK YOU, UCRDEM Maedhros Jun 2013 #50

As Josef Stalin's secret police chief Lavrenti Beria put it: newblewtoo Jun 2013 #23

No, his lies are what condemn him. He's whining because there ARE restriction. He is an idiot. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #24

he said there is no technical restriction stopping him, just policy Monkie Jun 2013 #31

So running to Hong Kong, releasing national security documents, claiming that the NSA... randome Jun 2013 #81

Tell me how difficult it is to change a policy MNBrewer Jun 2013 #38

condemned whining idiot fellators bobduca Jun 2013 #49

Ohhh, you mentioned fellatio! Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #79

Kitty needs to take that penis out of Kitty's mouth before calling people fellators Dragonfli Jun 2013 #108

Wow. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #112

Now you've done it, Will pscot Jun 2013 #27

No one is tossing anyone under the bus. ucrdem Jun 2013 #29

I've been tossed under the DU bus so many times WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #30

at least some people are learning a valuable lesson, those that have never seen this before Monkie Jun 2013 #33

More impressively, according to one poster, you're able to fellate Snowden from under the bus. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #57

Big K. Big R (nt) Vanje Jun 2013 #32

Thank you for this Will! KoKo Jun 2013 #36

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #43

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #45

Spot on Mr. Pitt. I've said that I don't care about Greenwald or Snowden Triana Jun 2013 #46

I do give a damn do you care if someone lies and betrays secrets to others that may result in a Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #48

He will be the book, and the policy in question merely a footnote... LanternWaste Jun 2013 #53

interesting comparison. I care about Snowden xiamiam Jun 2013 #54

Hear! Hear!! ReRe Jun 2013 #90

K&R n/t myrna minx Jun 2013 #56

good post/example stupidicus Jun 2013 #58

Well said, though that will not stop the totalitarians from attacking him to distract usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #59

Oh, poor Mr. Ritter had his sexual attraction to children exploited. randome Jun 2013 #60

Yes,and maybe he was a snot eater too, so what? 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #62

I agree. But isn't the reverse true? randome Jun 2013 #65

That is not the comparison being made, and you know it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #64

I agree they were not and are not relevant. randome Jun 2013 #66

Thanks Will, but your post proves what some woman, who was Cleita Jun 2013 #61

I am not one to accept conspiracies. In fact I almost always mock conspiracy theories. But it just Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #63

The only thing I care about with respect to Snowden The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #67

When he doesn't show evidence of his wild claims, everyone defaults to character and credibility. randome Jun 2013 #68

Yes, that. /\ /\ /\ DeadLetterOffice Jun 2013 #113

Thank you Will. Very thoughtfully written. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #69

Snowden has hardly had "broad-spectrum efforts at character assassination" Kolesar Jun 2013 #70

K & R. marmar Jun 2013 #71

They went after Ritter for sure malaise Jun 2013 #82

I have warned about falling for these one-sided morality standards JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83

K&R Jamastiene Jun 2013 #87

K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #88

K&R Zorra Jun 2013 #89

k&r nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #92

WP - I Agree - All Americans - All At DU Should Be Outraged At The Dismemberment Of The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jun 2013 #95

Great post! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #96

I cleaned this up and made it a BuzzFlash blog WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #97

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #99

Ritter is/was a hero. Lindbergh is/was a hero RVN VET Jun 2013 #100

I care about Ritter riverwalker Jun 2013 #101

Zahn is a tool RVN VET Jun 2013 #103

I care about Mr Ritter too ... mntleo2 Jun 2013 #118

Thing for me is timdog44 Jun 2013 #102

"Snowden attacks = Obama defense" Gore1FL Jun 2013 #104

You are all crazy fjlovato Jun 2013 #105

You might want to tone down that 'crazy' talk but I know what you mean. randome Jun 2013 #106

When do you ever sleep? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #107

? WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #109

I was thinking you got a new born and manage to write an essay every day. You're the iron man lib! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #110

Ah. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #115

Character assassination = he's telling the Truth. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #111