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Catherina

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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:50 AM Jun 2013

Everyone in US under surveillance incl Congress - NSA whistleblower [View all]

'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

This was broadcast on RT in Dec 2012.



Binney, one of the best mathematicians and code breakers in the history of the National Security Agency, resigned in 2001. He claimed he no longer wanted to be associated with alleged violations of the Constitution, such as how the FBI engages in widespread and pervasive surveillance through powerful devices called 'Naris.'


RT: In light of the Petraeus/Allen scandal while the public is so focused on the details of their family drama, one may argue that the real scandal in this whole story is the power, the reach of the surveillance state. I mean if we take General Allen – thousands of his personal e-mails have been sifted through private correspondence. It’s not like any of those men was planning an attack on America. Does the scandal prove the notion that there is no such thing as privacy in a surveillance state?

William Binney: Yes, that’s what I’ve been basically saying for quite some time, is that the FBI has access to the data collected, which is basically the emails of virtually everybody in the country. And the FBI has access to it. All the congressional members are on the surveillance too, no one is excluded. They are all included. So, yes, this can happen to anyone. If they become a target for whatever reason – they are targeted by the government, the government can go in, or the FBI, or other agencies of the government, they can go into their database, pull all that data collected on them over the years, and we analyze it all. So, we have to actively analyze everything they’ve done for the last 10 years at least.

RT: And it’s not just about those, who could be planning, who could be a threat to national security, but also those, who could be just…

WB: It’s everybody. The Naris device, if it takes in the entire line, so it takes in all the data. In fact they advertised they can process the lines at session rates, which means 10-gigabit lines. I forgot the name of the device (it’s not the Naris) – the other one does it at 10 gigabits. That’s why they're building Bluffdale (database facility), because they have to have more storage, because they can’t figure out what’s important, so they are just storing everything there. So, emails are going to be stored there in the future, but right now stored in different places around the country. But it is being collected – and the FBI has access to it.

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RT: It seems that the public is divided between those, who think that the government surveillance program violates their civil liberties, and those who say, 'I’ve nothing to hide. So, why should I care?' What do you say to those who think that it shouldnt concern them.

WB: The problem is if they think they are not doing anything that’s wrong, they don’t get to define that. The central government does, the central government defines what is right and wrong and whether or not they target you. So, it’s not up to the individuals. Even if they think they aren't doing something wrong, if their position on something is against what the administration has, then they could easily become a target.

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RT: Tell me about the most outrageous thing that you came across during your work at the NSA.

WB: The violations of the constitution and any number of laws that existed at the time. That was the part that I could not be associated with. That’s why I left. They were building social networks on who is communicating and with whom inside this country. So that the entire social network of everybody, of every US citizen was being compiled overtime. So, they are taking from one company alone roughly 320 million records a day. That’s probably accumulated probably close to 20 trillion over the years.

The original program that we put together to handle this to be able to identify terrorists anywhere in the world and alert anyone that they were in jeopardy. We would have been able to do that by encrypting everybody’s communications except those who were targets. So, in essence you would protect their identities and the information about them until you could develop probable cause, and once you showed your probable cause, then you could do a decrypt and target them. And we could do that and isolate those people all alone. It wasn’t a problem at all. There was no difficulty in that.


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http://rt.com/usa/surveillance-spying-e-mail-citizens-178/


In 2012 Binney received the Callaway award, an annual prize that recognizes those who champion constitutional rights and American values at great risk to their personal or professional lives.


This thread ties in very nicely with:
Senate Intel Committee Blocks Former Staffer From Talking To Press About Oversight Process but please watch out for the yellow snow.
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That explains a lot. Autumn Jun 2013 #1
What else can we call it? If you snoop into a man's computer Catherina Jun 2013 #5
Would explain (along with lobbyist influence) why our Congresscritters seem to KoKo Jun 2013 #11
You nailed it. And this is precisely what the professional weasels, whose paychecks depend Catherina Jun 2013 #16
Blackmail is one explanation. Another is that they can discover what it takes to buy the politician AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #38
Yeah, otherwise known as the J. Edgar Hoover treatment. n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #53
Kick. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #2
Proving again that Snowden doesn't know what he's talking about? ProSense Jun 2013 #3
What is your point, seriously, I think I am missing it. So let me try. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #7
"So I take this comment, the last words he spoke on the chat, with a grain of salt. " ProSense Jun 2013 #10
I already said I was confused. By your comment. I'm not at all confused about the threats to sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #12
No, ProSense Jun 2013 #13
Well you still haven't said whether you believe Snowden or Binney. I will assume you believe sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #14
Who do you believe? ProSense Jun 2013 #15
So you believe Binney then? But both are saying the same thing, so that means you must sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #17
Are you intentionally not making sense? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #19
"YOU MAKE NO SENSE!" sibelian Jun 2013 #60
You're wasting your time on this one magellan Jun 2013 #24
Exactly right. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #39
"It is difficult to get a (wo)man... RevStPatrick Jun 2013 #44
+1 magellan Jun 2013 #47
Twisted Upton Sinclair's words right into a nice little sexist rant, didn't you? ReRe Jun 2013 #56
That had nothing to do with sexism. RevStPatrick Jun 2013 #64
Thank you very very much for the source! ReRe Jun 2013 #67
Don't worry...they can run you around in circles zeemike Jun 2013 #34
Thanks ProSense. Beautifully made case. ucrdem Jun 2013 #21
Well, we DUers who you so disdain, are having a problem with the logic here. Could YOU perhaps sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #37
Is this sarcasm? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #40
No it's not... ReRe Jun 2013 #58
LOL! Vanje Jun 2013 #49
Why are you wasting your time with the FUD monger? n/t hootinholler Jun 2013 #25
LOL! Clown. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #26
Thank you! hootinholler Jun 2013 #28
Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #29
Ooooo, that only rated one link? hootinholler Jun 2013 #30
Actually: ProSense Jun 2013 #31
Why, when I read your posts here on the wholesale spying on American citizens, I think of RC Jun 2013 #57
^^^+++ ReRe Jun 2013 #59
Wow. Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #41
Jury Results aikoaiko Jun 2013 #51
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt hootinholler Jun 2013 #63
Great interview- well worth watching! Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #4
Thanks for watching. These refute the professional nonsense being spammed on these boards Catherina Jun 2013 #22
GEN Allen's emails weren't his giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #6
It's crap that they are spying on Congress? See Binney's and then Snowden's seeming contradiction sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #9
it isn't a "seeming" contradiction. It is a contradiction. And are we talking about the NSA tapping KittyWampus Jun 2013 #20
The only difference is, is Snowden's claim the the NSA has granted Congress immunity from their sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #42
Why do Binney and Snowden's statements have to "add up"? ReRe Jun 2013 #61
Recommend...well worth the watch. KoKo Jun 2013 #8
What grabs me- all 3 gentlemen say they could develop a system with built in safeguards but were not KittyWampus Jun 2013 #18
Agreed Kitty. One of the whistle-blowers said they tried to but were shot down everytime Catherina Jun 2013 #32
Hey, they got to make their money some way. zeemike Jun 2013 #43
The NATO doctrine... "If we're losing... we will blow up the world" - Halperin Catherina Jun 2013 #66
That was interesting about Halprin zeemike Jun 2013 #68
It's bittersweet like you said Catherina Jun 2013 #70
Yes marions ghost Jun 2013 #52
Exactly! ReRe Jun 2013 #62
Wish he had provided PROOF-we'd have been 6 months ahead on this. n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #23
Proof is hidden away which explains why Snowden took such drastic steps, Catherina Jun 2013 #27
Clapper gave his testimoney after Snowden absconded. randome Jun 2013 #33
Clapper has a lot on his mind also. Like maybe whether he should go back to that multi million sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #45
But then we'd have to put up with whatever mud Union Scribe Jun 2013 #73
J. Edgar Hoover's wet dream. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #35
Could the secrets of Congress members be why the majority of them DJ13 Jun 2013 #36
Not exactly. If you know that politicians can be bought, if you can uncover what it takes to buy AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #46
And could also explain why Obama zeemike Jun 2013 #48
William Binney infers: It's the Constitution, Stupid! Dec 2012 ReRe Jun 2013 #50
With the way they all lined up behind GWB to do anything he said or wanted Rex Jun 2013 #54
The secret AT&T spy room? That was NSA. The whisteblowers confirmed it Catherina Jun 2013 #65
k&r TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #55
I have to wonder how, say quakerboy Jun 2013 #69
Explains how Impeachment got off the table. Octafish Jun 2013 #71
Wait a minute - he resigned in 2001? jazzimov Jun 2013 #72
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