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timdog44

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102. Thing for me is

Tue Jun 18, 2013, 12:18 PM

Jun 2013

I agree with you about giving a damn about the information he revealed. It is scarier than I first imagined and have learned much from following who I think are the more intelligent posters here. There are a lot who are not. I have been forced into researching about the Patriot Act, ECHELON, and all the other acronyms for all the spy agencies and spy programs. It is mind boggling. It is mind boggling the number of people working for these groups. I have seen numbers that go over a million - more than the number of doctors we have in this country.

But I have to admit to not liking the messenger also. I doubt his agenda and his reasons for doing what he did. For me it is the good can come from bad scenario. What about guys like William Binney, Thomas Drake, and for the life of me I can't remember the others, but they are in a semi organization with a lady lawyer who was also a whistle blower. They are heroes. They did not run to Hong Kong or China. They had beliefs and they stood by them. Suffered because of them. That is why they are heroes. I don't give one shit about his girl friend and all that baloney. He should be here and standing up for what he believes in. I think there are many who would have supported him. And if that did not work, at least there would have been no shit to drop on him.

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Edward Snowden, my book with Scott Ritter, and the art of exploiting the messenger vs. the message [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2013 OP

And Julian Assange, and Dr. Kelly... Gregorian Jun 2013 #1

And Karen Silkwood suffragette Jun 2013 #16

And what "insider" information did the government have on Ritter, iemitsu Jun 2013 #76

Like I said in the discussion on the "spying on American citizen"-issue... ReRe Jun 2013 #86

Thanks so much for the link. iemitsu Jun 2013 #91

Here are some more great links in case you want to... ReRe Jun 2013 #93

Cool. iemitsu Jun 2013 #94

And Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Elliot Spitzer... cascadiance Jun 2013 #78

It's one thing to do character assassinations against witnesses in a court during a trial, etc... cascadiance Jun 2013 #80

And Drake and Binney and Bradley Manning among others. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #116

I want the truth without damning the person who is brave enough to speak about it. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #2

That's nice, but he was lying. ucrdem Jun 2013 #3

how many hours ago were you accusing me of not providing links/facts? Monkie Jun 2013 #6

I read it. What lies have you documented? I found no obvious lies. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #12

Doesn't matter. Cha Jun 2013 #26

Care to elaborate on what he was lying about? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #114

i remember how important ritter was, he had huge credibility as a "inside" man n/t Monkie Jun 2013 #4

Ritter was character assassinated. ucrdem Jun 2013 #5

acussing him of being a commie paid up agent of china based on a newspaper interview? Monkie Jun 2013 #8

Really? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #10

Calling a poseur a poseur is not character assassination ucrdem Jun 2013 #14

he`s doing a good job destroying his character Abukhatar Jun 2013 #73

Here, I explained it: ucrdem Jun 2013 #11

K & R HangOnKids Jun 2013 #7

Snowden is a male model playing this week's Libertarian martyr. ucrdem Jun 2013 #9

"Character assassination." Hissyspit Jun 2013 #13

It explains why he was lying: ucrdem Jun 2013 #17

No, it doesn't. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #22

And 9/11 was staged as was the moon landing? LOL JDPriestly Jun 2013 #84

Do you honestly think this B-movie espionage is commendable? ucrdem Jun 2013 #85

And Clapper was CEO of Booz Allen, a multi-billion dollar 'Security Corp' now cast as Director of sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #117

*Psssst* (it insinuates that he's G.A.Y.) MNBrewer Jun 2013 #35

You're the only one saying GAY on this thread, brewer eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #72

If that's what you think, Kolesar, if that's what you think MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74

You skyrocketed to the zenith of mediocrity on the Snowden topic, Brewer Kolesar Jun 2013 #75

oh PLEASE accuse me of being a troll, PLEASE!!!!!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #15

link?facts? as a 17 year old nerd he was interested in manga/comics and that crowd Monkie Jun 2013 #18

Here: ucrdem Jun 2013 #19

selective quotes from a long Q&A quelle surprise Monkie Jun 2013 #28

Im going to plonk that poster HangOnKids Jun 2013 #20

a snake under a rock that you cant see is more of a danger Monkie Jun 2013 #34

What's that got to do with anything? Modeling is proof of what, in your mind? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #21

He's an actor playing a role. He's also lying: ucrdem Jun 2013 #25

You offer no proof of your assertion. Having done modling work does not Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #39

But backpedaling on his earlier statements proves he was lying. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #40

Off topic, non responsive, I asked you what point you attempt to make by saying Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #42

Snowden's lies are off topic? ucrdem Jun 2013 #47

Non responsive to what you were asked. You back peddle. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #51

I answered your questions and your insinuations are out of line. Adios, I'm ignoring you. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #55

Ignore me too. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #98

Are the three other former NSA employees also lying? ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #52

"male model"... You know! *wink, wink* MNBrewer Jun 2013 #37

It is amazing that this bigoted shit is allowed here. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #41

Well, Snowden IS a little well-coiffed, if you know what I mean, *wink, wink* MNBrewer Jun 2013 #44

THANK YOU, UCRDEM Maedhros Jun 2013 #50

As Josef Stalin's secret police chief Lavrenti Beria put it: newblewtoo Jun 2013 #23

No, his lies are what condemn him. He's whining because there ARE restriction. He is an idiot. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #24

he said there is no technical restriction stopping him, just policy Monkie Jun 2013 #31

So running to Hong Kong, releasing national security documents, claiming that the NSA... randome Jun 2013 #81

Tell me how difficult it is to change a policy MNBrewer Jun 2013 #38

condemned whining idiot fellators bobduca Jun 2013 #49

Ohhh, you mentioned fellatio! Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #79

Kitty needs to take that penis out of Kitty's mouth before calling people fellators Dragonfli Jun 2013 #108

Wow. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #112

Now you've done it, Will pscot Jun 2013 #27

No one is tossing anyone under the bus. ucrdem Jun 2013 #29

I've been tossed under the DU bus so many times WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #30

at least some people are learning a valuable lesson, those that have never seen this before Monkie Jun 2013 #33

More impressively, according to one poster, you're able to fellate Snowden from under the bus. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #57

Big K. Big R (nt) Vanje Jun 2013 #32

Thank you for this Will! KoKo Jun 2013 #36

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #43

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #45

Spot on Mr. Pitt. I've said that I don't care about Greenwald or Snowden Triana Jun 2013 #46

I do give a damn do you care if someone lies and betrays secrets to others that may result in a Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #48

He will be the book, and the policy in question merely a footnote... LanternWaste Jun 2013 #53

interesting comparison. I care about Snowden xiamiam Jun 2013 #54

Hear! Hear!! ReRe Jun 2013 #90

K&R n/t myrna minx Jun 2013 #56

good post/example stupidicus Jun 2013 #58

Well said, though that will not stop the totalitarians from attacking him to distract usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #59

Oh, poor Mr. Ritter had his sexual attraction to children exploited. randome Jun 2013 #60

Yes,and maybe he was a snot eater too, so what? 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #62

I agree. But isn't the reverse true? randome Jun 2013 #65

That is not the comparison being made, and you know it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #64

I agree they were not and are not relevant. randome Jun 2013 #66

Thanks Will, but your post proves what some woman, who was Cleita Jun 2013 #61

I am not one to accept conspiracies. In fact I almost always mock conspiracy theories. But it just Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #63

The only thing I care about with respect to Snowden The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #67

When he doesn't show evidence of his wild claims, everyone defaults to character and credibility. randome Jun 2013 #68

Yes, that. /\ /\ /\ DeadLetterOffice Jun 2013 #113

Thank you Will. Very thoughtfully written. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #69

Snowden has hardly had "broad-spectrum efforts at character assassination" Kolesar Jun 2013 #70

K & R. marmar Jun 2013 #71

They went after Ritter for sure malaise Jun 2013 #82

I have warned about falling for these one-sided morality standards JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83

K&R Jamastiene Jun 2013 #87

K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #88

K&R Zorra Jun 2013 #89

k&r nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #92

WP - I Agree - All Americans - All At DU Should Be Outraged At The Dismemberment Of The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jun 2013 #95

Great post! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #96

I cleaned this up and made it a BuzzFlash blog WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #97

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #99

Ritter is/was a hero. Lindbergh is/was a hero RVN VET Jun 2013 #100

I care about Ritter riverwalker Jun 2013 #101

Zahn is a tool RVN VET Jun 2013 #103

I care about Mr Ritter too ... mntleo2 Jun 2013 #118

Thing for me is timdog44 Jun 2013 #102

"Snowden attacks = Obama defense" Gore1FL Jun 2013 #104

You are all crazy fjlovato Jun 2013 #105

You might want to tone down that 'crazy' talk but I know what you mean. randome Jun 2013 #106

When do you ever sleep? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #107

? WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #109

I was thinking you got a new born and manage to write an essay every day. You're the iron man lib! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #110

Ah. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #115

Character assassination = he's telling the Truth. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #111