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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 02:08 PM

Jun 2013

According to Sean Joyce, the Deputy Director of the FBI, and General Keith Alexander, Director of the National Security Agency, more than 50 attack plots were discovered and derailed thanks to the NSA data

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57589831/fbi-surveillance-info-helped-reveal-subway-stock-exchange-bombings/

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Do you believe the FBI and NSA when they say more than 50 plots were foiled by NSA surveillance? [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 OP

Here's more information regarding these claims: Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #1

That one was also previously detected by other means. Proves Zip. leveymg Jun 2013 #5

. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #31

Interesting. Thanks for the link. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #32

just think how many plots they could foil with surprise home inspections! unblock Jun 2013 #2

Ah yes Savannahmann Jun 2013 #8

Ridiculous Alex Jones-like exaggeration of Boston. Very pathetic. FSogol Jun 2013 #11

Ah I see. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #62

Comparing the actions of the LAPD against the actions of the Boston Police after the bombing FSogol Jun 2013 #64

I have seen the video, and I've seen similar and heard of similar through history. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #66

Kudos on Godwin. We either agree with you or we're Nazis? FSogol Jun 2013 #67

No, I answered your question. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #68

It's possible that I'm a government plant... MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #77

If you prefer that sort of policing, then you are entitled to your opinion Savannahmann Jun 2013 #79

There was a guy on the loose, probably nearby, who'd MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #80

A pretty reasonable response? Savannahmann Jun 2013 #90

Well, now I can see why you're so concerned. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #95

Exceptional post. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #92

We can see good and happy citizens thanking the police right here. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #91

Oopsie! Goin' off the deep end here, aren't we? longship Jun 2013 #53

+1 True dat. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #65

yes and no... allin99 Jun 2013 #3

So far, every single incident has proven to be plots already known to US intel. leveymg Jun 2013 #4

Think of it as a Jobs Program. Octafish Jun 2013 #15

Notice that those who post and repost pro-surveillance propaganda have nothing to say? leveymg Jun 2013 #34

No. I don't believe any real plots were foiled. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #6

Right, like the two supposed terrorists... AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #18

Yep. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #26

Exactly. After they helped create these supposed plots, closeupready Jun 2013 #49

Maybe so. HappyMe Jun 2013 #7

oh look, weapons of mass destruction! nt msongs Jun 2013 #9

I doubt it. kentuck Jun 2013 #10

I don't believe either agency made the claim you say they did. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #12

Here: Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #27

It's not hard to imagine that between those two mammoth agencies, ucrdem Jun 2013 #13

There you go imagining things again. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #30

FBI alone probably instigated more than 50 plots. Octafish Jun 2013 #14

Well, ya know, premium Jun 2013 #17

Yep. The FBI instigates plots that the NSA takes credit for stopping. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #54

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #59

that may foil the people who would do the plots treestar Jun 2013 #74

well just rip it down, drown the NSA and any government agency Whisp Jun 2013 #16

And just think how low our taxes would be! ucrdem Jun 2013 #19

No, don't tear them down, premium Jun 2013 #23

That's a pretty Manichean view you have. Demit Jun 2013 #29

I'd like to see the 5 people that believe this bullshit Aerows Jun 2013 #20

The claim is unverifiable, not subject to scrutiny by the general public. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #21

Apparently they are going to present the evidence in a closed-door meeting with Congress Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #24

It is my understanding that members of Congress won't be able to discuss the information with anyone Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #25

If ever there was ever anything that should be leaked by Congress, that briefing is it. leveymg Jun 2013 #36

No details, no sale Hydra Jun 2013 #57

I believe them, but that's irrelevant to the debate on the program. eom tarheelsunc Jun 2013 #22

If you define "threat" as someone saying the hate the USA then yes! N-t Logical Jun 2013 #28

See sign dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #33

That's the CIA Bush Center for Intelligence sign on the Memorial Pky past Spout Run, isn't it? leveymg Jun 2013 #37

Dunno dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #43

Sure looks like it> leveymg Jun 2013 #50

I believe that like I believe Sarah Palin is a genius. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #35

That's nothing. I thwarted two plots all by myself yesterday, before lunch even. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #38

LOL. premium Jun 2013 #42

Thank YOU. And since I've got a $1.8 billion check coming, no charge either. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #46

Nope, it depends on what you mean intaglio Jun 2013 #39

+1000!! HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #56

I voted "yes", but there was no option for "I'm not sure" LeftInTX Jun 2013 #40

After all the lies from that past Administration? Rex Jun 2013 #41

The FBI creates "terrorists" by intoxicating and setting up regular people. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #44

About as much as I believe the snoopers value privacy and the 4th Amendment. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #45

I vote yes but sarisataka Jun 2013 #47

No. closeupready Jun 2013 #48

Yes....if was a plot of Marijuana. Terrorist plot.....no. yourout Jun 2013 #51

No. And as a result, I think we should cut taxes ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #52

How many people do not drive 90 because the sign says 55? graham4anything Jun 2013 #55

I don't trust in their definition of "terrorist plot". Marr Jun 2013 #58

They probably stopped as many plots as the TSA employees did with free feel-ups at the airports. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #60

Sure they did! And I am a Klingon Princess! Honest! idwiyo Jun 2013 #61

It's their job to lie. Boomerproud Jun 2013 #63

I voted yes PennsylvaniaMatt Jun 2013 #69

You are gullible IMO. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #71

OMG! kentuck Jun 2013 #75

Creepy! PennsylvaniaMatt Jun 2013 #83

Did they count foiling plots by medical marijuana clinics? former9thward Jun 2013 #70

I can't exactly go with Yes or No... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #72

Maybe treestar Jun 2013 #73

That number is probably low. baldguy Jun 2013 #76

I agree you won't know because they won't tell....... Historic NY Jun 2013 #78

I so hope to encounter you IRL someday. You would make my year. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #81

+1000! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #85

. baldguy Jun 2013 #87

LOL! Define terror attack! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #84

No way! If the FBI and NSA had foiled any of these so called "50 plots" they themselves would have avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #82

Nope Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2013 #86

No krispos42 Jun 2013 #88

If you all believed the FBI and NSA railsback Jun 2013 #89

With a broad enough definition of "plot" and "disrupted", yes Recursion Jun 2013 #93

Nope Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #94

Especially since libodem Jun 2013 #96

They are not mining the data to get the terrorists. sibelian Jun 2013 #97