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Monkie

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111. i was specifically addressing your statement and my data being held on US servers

Tue Jun 18, 2013, 03:33 PM

Jun 2013

you can twist and turn but who are you convincing?
you made a statement about the US constitution and foreigners, and i showed you why the US constitution can sometimes apply to foreigners even if the foreigner is not in the US.
this has nothing to do with sweeping up data on international cables!

when i sign up for google mail IN EUROPE, google then transfers my data, without me having a choice in the matter, onto its servers on US soil, once the data is on googles servers on US soil the US constitution applies.
again, i offer to draw a picture for you if you lack the capacity to understand and you are not just twisting words in a attempt not to look like a idiot.

its simple, and the rest of your spinning and twisting has nothing to do with the point i was making, is a separate discussion, you know this, i know this, so i am done here.

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Snowden's latest leak is about our spying on Russia. Is he trying to start WW3? [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

Maybe you should ask the guys who did the spying? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #1

I'm sure thats it DJ13 Jun 2013 #2

Is he a patsy? I just wanted to throw that in there, because they are reading this. SugarShack Jun 2013 #104

bwahahahahaha. and you lot run around telling those of us who find the NSA cali Jun 2013 #3

Now look who's hair is on fire! LOL reformist2 Jun 2013 #4

It's POUTRAGE! Nothing new here, lol. morningfog Jun 2013 #11

He's trying to start something, and good for him. All of this shit being disclosed is absolute Nay Jun 2013 #5

This is news to you? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #6

Not clear whether it was an intercept -- sounds more like traffic analysis FarCenter Jun 2013 #7

How far we have been led astray. randome Jun 2013 #8

Your hero is Bond? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #17

My post has even LESS than nothing to do with the OP. It is but a jest. randome Jun 2013 #20

You forgot the obligatory visit from the head of Q Branch. longship Jun 2013 #23

Obama is set to talk privately with Putin today, ucrdem Jun 2013 #9

in the UK/EU its the british that get of worst from these leaks Monkie Jun 2013 #12

Interesting. ucrdem Jun 2013 #14

a little more then. Monkie Jun 2013 #21

Well, I just checked Google news and at the tippy top, there's Glenn ucrdem Jun 2013 #24

Here's the link: ucrdem Jun 2013 #26

you just checked collaborator news central, cool story Monkie Jun 2013 #29

No hostility, but you posted 3 poorly punctuated posts without one link ucrdem Jun 2013 #34

i didnt realise you wanted that kind of proof? i was not quoting anyone? Monkie Jun 2013 #36

here you go then Monkie Jun 2013 #45

Turkey and South Africa aren't at the G8. Russia is. ucrdem Jun 2013 #46

going all jekyll and hyde on me, mr craftsman? Monkie Jun 2013 #56

Suit yourself. ucrdem Jun 2013 #57

it was ok until you accused me of making claims and you disproving them Monkie Jun 2013 #60

Are you saying you're a Democrat? And you're in the UK? ucrdem Jun 2013 #62

I believe I've told you this before davidpdx Jun 2013 #73

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #82

oh and proof of the D-notice (censorship) served on the UK press by government Monkie Jun 2013 #48

"the Guardian is a happy little propaganda organ" says everything I need to know about you... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #43

Yes I keep hearing that. Also that Snowden is my hero. ucrdem Jun 2013 #47

Bye! truebrit71 Jun 2013 #49

Cheerio nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #51

Those were a couple of entertaining subthreads! randome Jun 2013 #61

Curiouser and curiouser. ucrdem Jun 2013 #63

& now the blue twit will have one less person to bait Kolesar Jun 2013 #78

. ucrdem Jun 2013 #107

'Propaganda' for whom? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #86

Since you asked, I laid it all out here: ucrdem Jun 2013 #94

No, that lays out nothing at all; who do you think the Guardian prints propaganda for? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #96

What are my politics? Check my sig. And what are your politics? ucrdem Jun 2013 #98

No, you don't explain anything about the Guardian's 'game' there muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #99

Let's see, who runs espionage for the foreign office? ucrdem Jun 2013 #101

The British security services - the people most embarrassed by the G20 spying story? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #103

I'm sure they were frightfully embarrassed. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #105

Have you just realised your conspiracy theory makes no sense whatsoever? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #110

Obama made his bed. I have been saying for some time morningfog Jun 2013 #10

I believe it is no more of a secret to Russia sarisataka Jun 2013 #13

Not a WWIII issue - We spy on them, they spy on us. It's expected. leveymg Jun 2013 #15

no, but by him doing this, he is no longer in a whistle blower category, but a traitor still_one Jun 2013 #16

They have an idea of our methods marions ghost Jun 2013 #22

If he stayed with domestic spying that would be valid, but going international crosses the line, and still_one Jun 2013 #28

I am glad to know what Snowden has revealed marions ghost Jun 2013 #38

So are you saying we should not have any international intelligence, which does involve spying. If still_one Jun 2013 #67

No not saying that marions ghost Jun 2013 #70

When haven't the Big 3 been spying on each other? More faux poutrage. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #18

Your making a mountain of what is not even a mole hill is really getting old. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #19

I don't think it's news that we spy on Russia & China. baldguy Jun 2013 #25

It used to be that people like him were considered traitors and spies. mzmolly Jun 2013 #27

It still is, and by saying that we are aware of changes in Russian system of spying, is the tipping still_one Jun 2013 #31

I hope he'll enjoy mzmolly Jun 2013 #54

I don't care what you call him. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #33

Is the NSA spying on me? No. mzmolly Jun 2013 #40

Yes it is and he intentionally or unintentionally has changed the message. Maybe I am wrong, but by still_one Jun 2013 #66

The "Weft, Twue Weft" have no time for such quibbles riqster Jun 2013 #37

It's crazy. mzmolly Jun 2013 #50

IIRC, judicial oversight came along towards the end of riqster Jun 2013 #53

It's complex mzmolly Jun 2013 #59

Disagreement? riqster Jun 2013 #68

Unfortunately for the rest of us leftynyc Jun 2013 #58

No, they will not accept responsibility. riqster Jun 2013 #69

I'm too old to expect leftynyc Jun 2013 #71

+1 nt riqster Jun 2013 #72

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #121

That was so beautifully put. blue neen Jun 2013 #65

Thank you for this subthread. redqueen Jun 2013 #84

Thanks back riqster Jun 2013 #87

I will loan you mine if you need it redstatebluegirl Jun 2013 #102

I'm thinking of upgrading to a union suit riqster Jun 2013 #106

Good idea! redstatebluegirl Jun 2013 #108

Speaking of these soon-to-be-elected Republicans... sibelian Jun 2013 #88

Of course not riqster Jun 2013 #90

OK, let me get this straight. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #30

Yes, but did he need to say that the NSA is watching our thoughts form and then... randome Jun 2013 #32

"Shall we play a game?" Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #35

His first answer about the US Constitution removes all claim Snowden has Progressive dog Jun 2013 #39

you missed part of that quote, by accident i presume? Monkie Jun 2013 #75

The Constitution has never applied anywhere other than the USA Progressive dog Jun 2013 #77

but the DATA collected from foreigners by US companies is stored in the USA Monkie Jun 2013 #83

Are you making the argument that the US Progressive dog Jun 2013 #92

you cant really be this stupid, i was very clear in what i said, should i draw diagrams? Monkie Jun 2013 #95

Temper, temper and you are wrong. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #97

why bring hong kong into this? nobody was talking about spying in hong kong Monkie Jun 2013 #100

Obviously Snowden brought Hong Kong into this by fleeing to there Progressive dog Jun 2013 #109

i was specifically addressing your statement and my data being held on US servers Monkie Jun 2013 #111

I don't care, you have your laws, we have ours Progressive dog Jun 2013 #113

Yes it has. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #85

Tell that to the foreign government when you break the law Progressive dog Jun 2013 #93

Your user name killed irony. eom TransitJohn Jun 2013 #115

cute, nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #116

OMG. Snowden reveals U.S. spying on Russia! railsback Jun 2013 #41

no, just for the repubs to win the 25th of June in Mass, and Oct. in NJ and they win the senate 14. graham4anything Jun 2013 #42

We've been spying on Russia since I was a child and they have been spying on us. Cleita Jun 2013 #44

No. WW3, if it starts will prob be Syria Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #52

Sorry, but I thought DU agreed he was a clown or something. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #55

He's a leaker, not a "whistle blower" and you forgot Kolesar Jun 2013 #80

Your autosignature reads: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #114

I reckon that you never donated to or knocked on one door for President Obama Kolesar Jun 2013 #118

Attack me instead of my position? Nice. ASSume I'm a fucking libertarian paulbot? Worse. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #119

Military justice is different Progressive dog Jun 2013 #112

He's a wounded animal. It will get worse as he nears his fate. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #64

you are obsessed with this guy. oh yeah, that's right he is gay and you have a problem with that. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #74

You're just making shit up and posting it on the internet Kolesar Jun 2013 #79

He's starting the Rand Paul for President 2016 campaign. FSogol Jun 2013 #76

I'm pretty sure these countries' leaders know that we've all been spying on each other! Like FOREVER WinkyDink Jun 2013 #81

Who's idea was it to farm out Turbineguy Jun 2013 #89

No no no Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #91

Sounds more like the NSA is the one doing the trying MNBrewer Jun 2013 #117

Just call 007 and Adelle. They've always saved us from these dastardly plots. leveymg Jun 2013 #120

Of course not. LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #122

We don't know what's in the thousands of documents that were stolen. pnwmom Aug 2013 #123