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JDPriestly

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97. What about those of us with friends and family overseas?

Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:13 PM

Jun 2013

That covers a huge number of Americans especially on the coasts -- west and east.

Are we fair game?

And what about the news media?

You may be comforted by this news, but I am not. And what is more, Obama and the rest are using the term "can" erroneously I believe. Obama was talking about the legal limitations. Repeat, the legal limitations, not the physical ones. The fact is that if they order the private companies that receive and process our data to keep it, then a good hacker can go back and retrieve it.

In fact, people on DU have done something similar in a small way by somehow saving data on the internet from the past. I have no idea how it was done. So, if the internet providers are required to save the data, it can be mined by any hacker any time. The entire program is stupid because it can backfire on our government.

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Is it because he's black? [View all] Uzair Jun 2013 OP

"collected involves telephone numbers, duration, and times" is spying. and the white guy did it too msongs Jun 2013 #1

How can it be spying on you when it's the phone company's data? jeff47 Jun 2013 #7

So any data any companies have on me you think the government... Logical Jun 2013 #12

When the data no longer belongs to you, you don't get a say in what happens to it* jeff47 Jun 2013 #27

Or at least ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #85

We are allowed to have a say it what happens Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #280

Supreme Court has said meta-data isn't covered by the 4th amendment. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #38

Then why did Clapper lie about collecting meta-data? He could have said that they rhett o rick Jun 2013 #90

Because answering "yes" would reveal classified information. jeff47 Jun 2013 #102

That's not what he said in the interview in the link below. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #159

We're talking about classified or not. Not legal or not. jeff47 Jun 2013 #244

Gen Alexander said today they are looking at stopping the collection of meta-data. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #250

Do you not understand that because it is legal does not mean the fucking NSA needs to collect it? nt Logical Jun 2013 #91

Let's quit confusing data with meta data. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #130

yup. It has already been decided and is LEGAL and the court in 1979 decided this. graham4anything Jun 2013 #152

The metadata focus is the shiny object and line of the day. The issue is email and profiling. leveymg Jun 2013 #222

It is spying because the phone company gave it up under duress and because of the secrecy NSA RC Jun 2013 #20

Then you need to get that opinion reflected in law. jeff47 Jun 2013 #36

With all the secrecy, how do we know any warrants were issued? RC Jun 2013 #66

Because the leaked documents say they were. jeff47 Jun 2013 #104

I think I found the flaw in your thinking. RC Jun 2013 #290

The phone companies used to keep the records for 10 yrs. Storing it isn't new. nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #48

The phone company storing their own records is not the point. RC Jun 2013 #70

The NSA does not keep it forever. The NSA deletes data after five years. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #94

What proof do we have that the NSA deletes it after 5 years? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #157

Agreed. Maybe someone can tell us the E.O. number of the current Exec. Order that governs that? leveymg Jun 2013 #214

And I think that that decision should be revisited. There is too much information on an individual Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #21

Some of this discussion is about semantics. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #100

And we created laws to explicitly protect those medical records jeff47 Jun 2013 #120

Illegal?? Maybe not... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #127

One person's weight and list of medications is "data" OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #141

In the strict scientific sense... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #160

The Supreme Court never said that OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #180

Again... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #196

If the numbers you call are private OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #199

I am. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #218

Okey Dokey OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #219

it's good... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #223

It is NOT spying. Making a backup of the meta-data that the telecoms delete is not spying... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #19

There's an even stronger argument against having the telecoms store the data jeff47 Jun 2013 #42

If they aren't recording and saving content... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #135

There's no phone content. Once a judge issues a warrant to retrieve meta-data for an individual # Tx4obama Jun 2013 #177

B.S. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #258

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #266

Nothing in the TOS I signed said "oh by the way...." burnodo Jun 2013 #205

You may want to check that. thucythucy Jun 2013 #217

Only if George Bush is black, too. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #2

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #63

It was not a "scandal" at all during Bush years treestar Jun 2013 #267

Thank you. femmocrat Jun 2013 #3

YES. Rex Jun 2013 #4

Yes it is. I've been brought to tears. DevonRex Jun 2013 #55

I was shocked to hear certain people Rex Jun 2013 #243

I hate all this talk because we are losing time Politicalboi Jun 2013 #5

K&R to the greatest redqueen Jun 2013 #6

Are saying DUers who don't find the president's word sufficient whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #8

That's the way it came across to me also, premium Jun 2013 #23

When it comes to programs cloaked in secrecy, I don't take any politician at his word alone whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #31

I'm beginning to think it is the swooners who are racist Skittles Jun 2013 #128

the swooners who call others' racist most definitely. allin99 Jun 2013 #183

The idea that race preoccupies the thinking, yes Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #283

It's a tried and true method of stifling discussion. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #172

Possibly. Why don't you find it sufficient on this point? treestar Jun 2013 #268

Are you fucking serious? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #293

How can you be serious that nothing has changed? treestar Jun 2013 #311

And the bullshit continues... whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #312

Bush spied on Americans and trashed the constitution, and he's white. egduj Jun 2013 #9

Calling DUers who are against the infringement on our privacy, Marrah_G Jun 2013 #10

Thank You For Saying It! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #64

It is clear that reinforcements have been called in. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #99

+1 Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #147

Did you watch the video? Did you read the OP? Uzair Jun 2013 #198

Because the entire American government has been covering this up for years muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #264

+1000! n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #207

+1! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #303

+1 sibelian Jun 2013 #307

Thank you, Uzair.. for posting the Charlie Rose Interview and Cha Jun 2013 #11

Awe, the picture added so much! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #17

"they have to get a Goddamn warrant from the FISA court". KamaAina Jun 2013 #13

That's not true. From EPIC: Electronic Privacy Info Center: okaawhatever Jun 2013 #61

I guess I was referring to the figures from the past year. KamaAina Jun 2013 #68

Here is the link. It also shows how many "business records" were requested. Here's an okaawhatever Jun 2013 #109

Business records requests DO NOT NEED WARRANTS OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #158

Ok, so technically it wasn't bupkis Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #154

How many are denied by regular courts? jeff47 Jun 2013 #111

If other courts do issue search warrants like cash register receipts, KamaAina Jun 2013 #241

Again, that only applies if you think they're like TV. jeff47 Jun 2013 #242

Yes, a prosecutor knows the requirements treestar Jun 2013 #275

They still had to get the warrant treestar Jun 2013 #269

K&R. It is because he's black AND because Rand Paul wants to be President. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #14

I blame the media jeff47 Jun 2013 #15

Perspective...Lost In The Shuffle... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #107

You Might Want RobinA Jun 2013 #204

There's plenty of them that did "end well" or continue to operate well. jeff47 Jun 2013 #245

no and it's scurrilous to suggest the people like Bernie Sanders and Pat Leahy are bigot. cali Jun 2013 #16

Expected nothing less of this OP. nt. premium Jun 2013 #26

Right. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #32

95% of the planet isn't American Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #18

If you are a U.S. Citizen, the NSA CAN NOT AND HAVE NOT listened to your phone calls or targeted you progressoid Jun 2013 #22

It's hard to take anything the NSA says seriously premium Jun 2013 #34

Bob Somerby put it best: Calling other people racists is our side's favorite sport. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #24

But there is no evidence the government is doing that. randome Jun 2013 #40

I thought there was no doubt the NSA is collecting records of all phone calls in the U.S. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #44

They're storing the metadata but it can't be viewed without a 2nd warrant. randome Jun 2013 #52

I don't think they need another warrant to look at the metadata. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #103

You (and the author of that report) have an odd idea of confirmation. jeff47 Jun 2013 #116

Please show me a citation that a warrant is required to look at metadata. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #150

Read the first 2/3rds of your own damn link. jeff47 Jun 2013 #246

Nothing in there says they require a warrant. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #253

Not correct. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #162

The way I understand it is like this. randome Jun 2013 #288

Tell Brandon Mayfield how insignificant that loophole is. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #294

Well, the erroneous fingerprint match came from the FBI, not the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #306

The FBI is the entity which obtained the warrrant. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #313

It's the Facts that don't matter to anyone who is Cha Jun 2013 #50

I like how you capitalize facts. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #232

Especially by people who claim to have voted for him treestar Jun 2013 #274

Nope. Android3.14 Jun 2013 #25

I'd want to be on the other side of Rush, Beck, Hannity, and the Teabaggers myself Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #79

Rush, Beck, Hannity, and the Teabaggers probably support oxygen to breathe as well.. frylock Jun 2013 #187

So do the folks you disagree with. You want to be opposite on Oxygen to breathe too? nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #248

Yep, it's because he's black . . . and a Democrat rightsideout Jun 2013 #28

You like to forget that many of us that aren't Reich Wingers NEVER, EVER supported this shit. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #95

Tripe. Digest this like an adult. I do not trust Obama's words because of the many Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #29

I don't think our Teapublican friends have figured out what to do with all this..... wandy Jun 2013 #30

You're kidding. They are feeding us this shit with a spoon, and we are eating it up. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #46

I'm going to allow that "our" confusion is a natural result...... wandy Jun 2013 #60

They don't need to do anything while the vast majority on the left continues to blame Obama. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #82

My Tea Party relatives think NSA will target them "like the IRS has." Problem is DevonRex Jun 2013 #110

hilarious. KG Jun 2013 #33

"you are not being spied on. Period." Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #35

oh boy Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #37

Amazing that all these low count posters are in here defending the despicable actions bowens43 Jun 2013 #39

They are? How so? Uzair Jun 2013 #200

In the interests of transparency - RILib Jun 2013 #41

People haven't taken into consideration that there are alot of people and outside groups okaawhatever Jun 2013 #43

Does nobody on the Board OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #171

Don't Forget RobinA Jun 2013 #210

are you saying i am a racist? provide proof or retract the claim! Monkie Jun 2013 #45

I definitely believe it is - for some. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #47

Barry to obama, Bubba to bill, what's the difference? you're the one reducing obama to his color... allin99 Jun 2013 #89

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #284

+1000 Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #184

The demands he do this and that and that he'd better pay for the vote treestar Jun 2013 #273

YES! And I wish this site had been around when Clinton was in office, then we'd have a comparison. redqueen Jun 2013 #49

I've said the same. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #56

I edited my post so you might want to as well... redqueen Jun 2013 #59

I'm good. I still agree. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #67

Nowhere near the disrespect, derision, and downright hatred. I've never seen anything like it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #146

It's expected from the other side these days. But this foaming-at-the-mouth invective from dems... redqueen Jun 2013 #281

You're joking, right? Beacool Jun 2013 #298

Whoop, there it is! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #71

No it's because his polices suck on this issue. Also your post full of untruths. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #51

+1000 Hydra Jun 2013 #255

So when the next Republican President comes along MNBrewer Jun 2013 #53

I think that you have lost it. n/t demmiblue Jun 2013 #54

A quick search of the Op's other "great" posts HangOnKids Jun 2013 #69

A very brave OP to post in this environment CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #57

Hmm, I wonder why people think it is directed at them personally? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #65

Fair enough point. And at least CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #76

Did you read the OP? His accusations are pointed at Democrats and DU posters. tritsofme Jun 2013 #78

+1!! Ain't that the truth. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #86

oh it's clearly meant personally and to chill criticism. whatever else it is and it's many things cali Jun 2013 #87

It makes me question the race issue even more when people think they're being targeted. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #148

Oh. So if one takes offense at being smeared as a racist DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #175

Hmm... The OP didn't call you or anyone else racist. The OP is suggesting that the treatment of Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #185

Don't play word games. He clearly implied racism toward DUers DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #188

You're welcome. My opinion stands: Racism against this president exists. It exists on ALL Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #192

That sounds a lot like Fox News "just asking questions" Union Scribe Jun 2013 #225

It smacks of RNC intern, trying to foment discord on DU. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #249

Yes. I only voted for him twice and campaigned for him hard Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #58

" Is it because he's black?". Absolutely. BumRushDaShow Jun 2013 #62

You just said two mutually exclusive things in summary. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #72

just like critics of Amin, Mugabe, Duvalier, Obote, Museveni, Savimbi, Mobutu! MisterP Jun 2013 #73

Where's tthe dang Un-Rec button when I need it. x1000 truebluegreen Jun 2013 #74

... The Link Jun 2013 #75

Nope, but nice distraction. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #77

When all else fails trot out the racism card. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #80

Interesting phrasing. Hardly ever seen on a leftwing board. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #83

Dangle your stinking bait in front of somebody else. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #167

"Must ... be ... strong. Cannot ... risk ... being ... outed." Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #173

Yes, everything boils down to skin color. Except to those of us who think he is more than just... allin99 Jun 2013 #81

I don't think you Obama "supporters" have any clue how much damage you are doing to Obama Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #84

I campaigned in Phili for Michael Nutter (black mayor) before obama, i'm also black and... allin99 Jun 2013 #96

It is a sad thing to watch Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #101

you bring up something i was going to mention... allin99 Jun 2013 #106

Yes, you are right most racism is very subtle Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #114

exactly. they mock racism... allin99 Jun 2013 #129

It SHOULDN'T be about an individual, CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #108

Focus on the real cases of racism, don't make up fake ones Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #121

It is about the individual, and it's about race. ucrdem Jun 2013 #136

PROVE Democracy Now is racist. You have nothing. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #178

You keep repeating these baseless and vile accusations about Democracy Now suffragette Jun 2013 #220

With supporters like these, the republicans are safe. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #233

This has been going on since 2007 yardwork Jun 2013 #292

Wow! One of the best OPs I've ever read on DU. ucrdem Jun 2013 #88

up is down and down is up. Orwell is spinning revolutions in his grave. cali Jun 2013 #105

Why? I don't see anything so Orwellian about the OP. ucrdem Jun 2013 #153

The smell of desperation... 99Forever Jun 2013 #92

Since the word of a known liar has been taken as fact, lying ABOUT what he's "leaking" DevonRex Jun 2013 #93

What about those of us with friends and family overseas? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #97

This is really filthy, and you got by with it. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #98

...and I'm going to put it as simply as I can: Go.Fuck.Yourself. Earth_First Jun 2013 #112

A jury just voted 4-2 to keep this. ucrdem Jun 2013 #125

Well urcdem... The OP was looking for a reaction and he got it. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #151

We could say the same about the torch-and-pitchfork department, couldn't we? ucrdem Jun 2013 #156

It's all very transparent Marrah_G Jun 2013 #165

Which "problem," Marrah_G? Can you tell me what you're insinuating, please? ucrdem Jun 2013 #170

The problem of people joining just to stir up crap. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #174

And who would that be? The people posting lies by racist Greenwald for example? ucrdem Jun 2013 #176

Goodnight urcdem Marrah_G Jun 2013 #182

Likewise. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #186

Good. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #226

I would have voted to uphold your post! Calling DU members a racist is unbelievable! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #131

Were you on this jury? Before editing you said "I voted to uphold this post." ucrdem Jun 2013 #164

I was not. It was a typo. I left off 'would have'. Sorry!! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #166

Okay thanks. I hope someone can post the results. ucrdem Jun 2013 #168

+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #132

well stated frylock Jun 2013 #194

Wow, aren't we defensive Uzair Jun 2013 #195

I am not going to quantify an iota of my opinion to you... Earth_First Jun 2013 #201

Most of those screaming aren't too stupid to understand what Obama says here. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #113

LOL, yes, most of the DU does not know the truth. Keep trying! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #133

Most of the public in general. Millions think Obama listens to them on the phone. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #137

"Millions think Obama listens to them on the phone"...OK Einstein..... Logical Jun 2013 #142

Black and White smknz Jun 2013 #115

Nope. It's because he's just another slick politician who lied his way into office. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #117

You are being distracted by this one program... dkf Jun 2013 #118

No, and to suggest that is offensive. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #119

What did I miss? magellan Jun 2013 #122

Well, it wouldn't be me without the occasional double post magellan Jun 2013 #123

Sure it is madokie Jun 2013 #124

Okay. LWolf Jun 2013 #126

That is insulting. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #134

No, it's because he is Irish. nt TexasTowelie Jun 2013 #138

I would honestly be embarrassed by this post, if I were on the OP's side of the debate. Marr Jun 2013 #139

Bush wasn't black and a lot of folks were upset with his wrong-doing, why would you expect different usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #140

The SAME issue? Watch the video. Read the OP. Uzair Jun 2013 #197

Yes, the same issue, have you heard of the FISA Amendments Act? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #208

Exactly. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #227

Perhaps for similar reasons that it was challenging to believe Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #215

You have nailed it and I salute you! - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #257

They were not treestar Jun 2013 #270

Is your uncritical support because he's black? Coccydynia Jun 2013 #143

+1 Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #145

heh. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #304

Some scholars agreed that... TRoN33 Jun 2013 #144

Which ones where those? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #149

Simple minded accusation don't you think? Notafraidtoo Jun 2013 #155

"is it because he's black?".....yes. madrchsod Jun 2013 #161

Great post, +1. sagat Jun 2013 #163

thanks for shedding light on your lack of quality thinking stupidicus Jun 2013 #169

Wow. The apologist ammo bucket must be empty if shameful racial animus DirkGently Jun 2013 #179

+100. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #213

Whoop de doo! Puglover Jun 2013 #181

30 more authoritarians for the ignore list bobduca Jun 2013 #189

Oh hell no. Puglover Jun 2013 #190

When I want to laugh, and I have the right attittude... bobduca Jun 2013 #191

I even got one sleeper that's been hiding since 2001. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #259

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #193

I think so Progressive dog Jun 2013 #202

How is it Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #211

Well I'm not ignoring it Progressive dog Jun 2013 #230

You misunderstood my post. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #235

I''ll buy that Bobbie Jo, I wasn't sure what you meant Progressive dog Jun 2013 #238

Is he continuing Bush-Cheney policies because he is half white? The Link Jun 2013 #203

No Americans caught up in that Verizon deal, you say? Skip Intro Jun 2013 #206

What the fuck is going on? Uzair Jun 2013 #209

You seem to be hinting that critics of Obama are racist. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #216

no doubt - it is why Al Gore has spoken out against the surveillance program! No other reason I can Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #212

this is going in the trash where it belongs. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #221

You consistently have the worst arguments I've ever seen on DU. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #224

I deal in FACTS Uzair Jun 2013 #229

Lol. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #231

+1000 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #234

Admiral of the fail fleet. The Link Jun 2013 #247

No, largely you do not deal in facts and when you do it's selective cali Jun 2013 #276

In November 2008 I was ecstatic. Finally, a black President! Finally, we could get on track! Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #228

Yes. southerncrone Jun 2013 #236

So, you're agreeing with the OP that DUers who continue to object to NSA scarletwoman Jun 2013 #239

+ 1,000 suffragette Jun 2013 #251

No, perhaps I should have said more. southerncrone Jun 2013 #254

You're saying that *all* attacks on Obama are because he's black? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #265

well, that's a steaming pile. By your, er, lights, no one should ever criticize President Obama cali Jun 2013 #271

It is interesting there was less concern during Bushco treestar Jun 2013 #277

No, and it's not even about Obama. ozone_man Jun 2013 #237

OZONE_MAN NAILS IT Skittles Jun 2013 #252

Yes it is treestar Jun 2013 #272

Who's this "they"? sibelian Jun 2013 #305

Look at DU for the day Eddie's name first came out treestar Jun 2013 #310

No. But I can see why that would be a comforting explanation to the hardcore devoted fan club/BOG-er quinnox Jun 2013 #240

Want to know what perpetuates racism, more than anything? mick063 Jun 2013 #256

A couple of things that make me go hmm... ucrdem Jun 2013 #260

Oh, holy fuck... Hissyspit Jun 2013 #261

They're just observations hissyspit . . . ucrdem Jun 2013 #262

a suspicous mind? No that's not the phrase. cali Jun 2013 #263

So, you're saying he's a bastard from the north? Babel_17 Jun 2013 #289

Well, well. sibelian Jun 2013 #297

Oh My GoD! Vanje Jun 2013 #309

jury results RILib Jun 2013 #278

Deputy head of NSA: queries of database can be authorised by any of 20 analysts and 2 managers muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #279

This thinking says more about the one thinking it Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #282

This is just crap. el_bryanto Jun 2013 #285

What a pathetic post, the apologists are really grasping now, NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #286

Please...someone tell me this is satire. Zorra Jun 2013 #287

Yes, it is. First comes the satire "and then there will be cake". Babel_17 Jun 2013 #291

LOL! Bless you. Zorra Jun 2013 #295

Oh boy, here we go again. Beacool Jun 2013 #296

Limbaugh consistently tells his listeners that his hatred for Pres. Obama is not racially motivated LanternWaste Jun 2013 #299

No. sibelian Jun 2013 #300

Tommy Chong couldn't possibly have ever smoked pot, because it is illegal. Zorra Jun 2013 #301

In this case, no. It's because he's disregarding the 4th Amendment. nt Deep13 Jun 2013 #302

Pfft. If you were really a liberal, you would know we hate white people, not black people. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #308