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ProSense

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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:42 PM Jun 2013

Bush and Cheney were liars, and there is an effort to create the impression Obama is no different [View all]

And the Bush-Cheney administration is a perfect example of why voters should not always trust their elected leaders. According to the Center for Public Integrity, the administration made at least 935 demonstrably false statements in the lead up to the 2003 Iraq War. Cheney himself made 48 of those, including his infamous 2002 claim that: “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.”

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/06/16/2164401/dick-cheney-trust-surveillance/

Another misleading media report implies that warrantless wiretapping is legal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026724

The program was in fact a wide range of covert surveillance activities authorized by President Bush in the aftermath of 9/11. At that time, White House officials, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, had become convinced that FISA court procedures were too cumbersome and time-consuming to permit U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies to quickly identify possible Qaeda terrorists inside the country. (Cheney's chief counsel, David Addington, referred to the FISA court in one meeting as that "obnoxious court," according to former assistant attorney general Jack Goldsmith.) Under a series of secret orders, Bush authorized the NSA for the first time to eavesdrop on phone calls and e-mails between the United States and a foreign country without any court review. The code name for the NSA collection activities—unknown to all but a tiny number of officials at the White House and in the U.S. intelligence community—was "Stellar Wind."

http://web.archive.org/web/20081216011008/http://www.newsweek.com/id/174601/output/print

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023032225

Greenwald is accusing President Obama of making "false" claims, but hasn't backed up his claims
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023041862

Excerpt: Obama talks NSA in Charlie Rose interview.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023039098

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not as bad as bush is sort of a weird defense nt msongs Jun 2013 #1
Obama = Cheney is a lunatic proposition. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #2
Since you are the only one making it, I would certainly agree. Demit Jun 2013 #3
Leave her alone. She is on a roll! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #5
I realize that this way madness lies, but I couldn't resist. Demit Jun 2013 #8
speak for yourself ... eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #39
Issues? ProSense Jun 2013 #11
Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #7
I was agreeing with you that it was a lunatic's proposition! Demit Jun 2013 #13
The only one? riqster Jun 2013 #37
What makes more sense Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #4
"Edward Snowden Is A Ron Paul Supporter" Cha Jun 2013 #33
Yes, there is a difference. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #6
Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #9
+100! im1013 Jun 2013 #12
Same people, same policies, same lies. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #10
Thank you! Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #14
Ed: Do we believe a guy who goes to China, Potus or congress? flamingdem Jun 2013 #15
Yay! for Big Bad Ed! And, I would add .. the random Cha Jun 2013 #32
Is it your contention that Obama has not lied? Marr Jun 2013 #16
I have ProSense Jun 2013 #18
OK, do you think Obama admin has been least untruthful? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #25
i've changed my mind. galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #17
Says the ProSense Jun 2013 #19
phone technolog is way past this: galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #20
Um, ProSense Jun 2013 #21
to clarify, my suggestion is to discover how phones work today! galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #22
. ProSense Jun 2013 #23
All you attackers who get on ProSense threads just to leave your Cha Jun 2013 #31
What you said!! dog_lovin_dem Jun 2013 #58
+++ Whisp Jun 2013 #62
Yep Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #65
More crap from ProSense. Apophis Jun 2013 #24
I'm not shocked at more crap from you. Cha Jun 2013 #30
Classy... Agschmid Jun 2013 #34
The de-evolution of DU continues... CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #35
Welcome to META/GD huh? Agschmid Jun 2013 #36
this post of yours sucked in the same manner... Kolesar Jun 2013 #38
What I consider RW is supporting a president who allows spying on every American citizen. Apophis Jun 2013 #41
Apparently the FISA court isn't giving individualized probable cause warrants, but doing blanket dkf Jun 2013 #26
And FISA is apparently issuing warrants for purely domestic surveillence. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #27
The problem with Obama; is that after Bush/Cheney he was/is held to a higher standard. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #28
Thank you for compiling all Cha Jun 2013 #29
man, has all this devolved into the lowest possible form of debate cali Jun 2013 #40
You have ProSense Jun 2013 #42
sure I do. And I didn't claim innocence in this. cali Jun 2013 #44
Yes, ProSense Jun 2013 #46
bwahahahaha. cali Jun 2013 #49
FYI ProSense Jun 2013 #53
Obama is doing more to reform the legacy of those dumb fucks than anyone else possibly could. The Link Jun 2013 #43
This isn't really about Obama, though Jarla Jun 2013 #45
Have you ever considered using that paid vacation time to go do something fun? Zorra Jun 2013 #47
Idiocy. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #48
bwahahahaha. yes indeedy. you never just attack. except when you do and you do it often cali Jun 2013 #50
Stating that ProSense Jun 2013 #51
Actually, no, not idiocy. Relaxing breaks from the daily grind are Zorra Jun 2013 #52
Actually, ProSense Jun 2013 #54
One of my girlfriends and I are going to dinner, and then catch a movie. Zorra Jun 2013 #60
Gee, did Obama call for prosecuting Bush/Cheney's war crimes when I wasn't looking? MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #55
Ye shall know them by their fruits whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #56
Obama: arguably better than Bush and Cheney Enrique Jun 2013 #57
Yep. And plenty of idiots are falling for it. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #59
Bush and Cheney were liars, correct YoungDemCA Jun 2013 #61
Wait ProSense Jun 2013 #63
He's posting on another thread after making his pathetic feint on your thread Kolesar Jun 2013 #66
Kick ProSense Jun 2013 #64
Kick! n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #67
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