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Luminous Animal

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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 08:33 PM Jun 2013

Greenwald: Fisa court oversight: a look inside a secret and empty process [View all]

Obama and other NSA defenders insist there are robust limitations on surveillance but the documents show otherwise

The NSA's media defenders have similarly stressed that the NSA's eavesdropping and internet snooping requires warrants when it involves Americans. The Washington Post's Charles Lane told his readers: "the government needs a court-issued warrant, based on probable cause, to listen in on phone calls." The Post's David Ignatius told Post readers that NSA internet surveillance "is overseen by judges who sit on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court" and is "lawful and controlled". Tom Friedman told New York Times readers that before NSA analysts can invade the content of calls and emails, they "have to go to a judge to get a warrant to actually look at the content under guidelines set by Congress."

This has become the most common theme for those defending NSA surveillance. But these claim are highly misleading, and in some cases outright false.

Top secret documents obtained by the Guardian illustrate what the Fisa court actually does – and does not do – when purporting to engage in "oversight" over the NSA's domestic spying. That process lacks many of the safeguards that Obama, the House GOP, and various media defenders of the NSA are trying to lead the public to believe exist.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/fisa-court-oversight-process-secrecy

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Read enough to determine one thing: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #1
Yeah, the whole scandal's been a bust really. Goal posts keep on moving... BenzoDia Jun 2013 #2
He's got the goalposts in the back up a pickup... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #3
So you're cool with your govt spying on you and lying about it? chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #9
There was no lying really. Congress' vote for FISA Amendment Act is pretty clear. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #14
from the article questionseverything Jun 2013 #26
The Government has always acknowledged that sweeping up 'incidental' communication. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #30
incidental huh? questionseverything Jun 2013 #37
Your article is dealing with events that are pre-FISAAA. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #47
Well there's design and there's implementation tblue Jun 2013 #38
I'm not defending anything. Me saying that the leaks have been a bust is not the same as approving BenzoDia Jun 2013 #46
I'd hardly call it a bust Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #28
Get your eyes checked. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #4
Why? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #5
Kick for the intellectually stimulating criticism. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #6
Your intellectually stimulating comment is noted. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #7
Please read the article to learn how the govt and paid media are lying to you about the NSA spying. chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #8
LOL, and all he's really released was from a training session on NSA software. DevonRex Jun 2013 #10
K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #11
I'll take the place of the defenders of the faith. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #12
I think that covers it. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #13
i have read the article, greenwald back tracks on all his claims! Monkie Jun 2013 #17
Could you post a paragraph that shows the backtracking. kentuck Jun 2013 #45
parody does not translate well, it is scandalous, i have seen no backtracking at all Monkie Jun 2013 #48
Sorry Monkie... kentuck Jun 2013 #49
The next generation will have to be taught what "The Onion" was all about. reusrename Jun 2013 #50
As a matter of fact maxrandb Jun 2013 #18
listening or capturing,same dif questionseverything Jun 2013 #27
That's the beauty of it Maedhros Jun 2013 #33
+1 Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #51
How about a grandstanding I LOVE MyPOTUS!!!!! forestpath Jun 2013 #20
STOP IT Savannahmann Skittles Jun 2013 #25
9. We already knew about this, was common knowledge bobduca Jun 2013 #31
I wonder if Snowden waits for the Government response, and then forwards the rebuttal to Greenwald dkf Jun 2013 #15
According to Greenwald, the Guardian has it all it just takes time to Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #19
It could have been a second dump though. dkf Jun 2013 #22
#1) Why do you characterize it as a dump? And... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #24
the guardian is vetting, and has to obey UK national security laws Monkie Jun 2013 #34
I read through the entire thing. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #16
Court oversight does seem to be a joke. dkf Jun 2013 #23
secret protection is no protection questionseverything Jun 2013 #29
Yes, I think you have it exactly right, but I think there's more, much more. reusrename Jun 2013 #52
K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #21
Today, Senate Intel Committee blocked former staffer from talking to press about oversight Catherina Jun 2013 #32
about the PR angle, the president could of used this outrage and scandal as a weapon Monkie Jun 2013 #35
so how do we make them stop? questionseverything Jun 2013 #36
Where did you hear those details about the crash? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #41
they are in the news report link i posted questionseverything Jun 2013 #53
well i see the link does not work now questionseverything Jun 2013 #54
Thank you, Catherina. tblue Jun 2013 #39
Twilight Zone stuff. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #42
No shit Sherlock Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #40
Kick. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #43
VIP - Very Important Post kentuck Jun 2013 #44
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