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Tx4obama

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49. No, the NSA cannot record phone calls of Americans.

Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:23 PM

Jun 2013

If a judge orders a 'wiretap' on a phone it is the FBI that places the wiretap AFTER a judge issues a warrant (after probable cause has been shown).

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People believe their phone calls are being listened to... [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP

they can't go back and look at the contents. Whisp Jun 2013 #1

Who I talk to, when, and for how long IS fucking content as far as I am concerned. corkhead Jun 2013 #2

no it isn't. Content is the actual recording of conversations. Whisp Jun 2013 #6

Maybe you are fine with it, but I am just a little uncomfortable having to resign myself corkhead Jun 2013 #13

I am not fine with it, I haven't been for a long time. Whisp Jun 2013 #19

We're on the same page then. corkhead Jun 2013 #38

Whisp, doesn't it strike you that they have done what they CAN do? Th1onein Jun 2013 #85

That is NOT content - that is meta-data. Content is the actual conversion which they don't have. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #7

Thanks, but I already understand the definitions. Its the information "contained" in the meta-data corkhead Jun 2013 #31

Probable cause must be presented to a judge before a judge signs an order to retrieve the... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #48

The fact remains that it's being collected. I personally am not comfortable with that. corkhead Jun 2013 #87

According to the Supreme Court, no it is not Trekologer Jun 2013 #18

Understood; I wasn't going by Hoyle, just my perceptions. corkhead Jun 2013 #39

Don't forget metadata can provide the location you called from Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #40

How do you know whether they are archiving call contents or not? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #3

That is what many people have been saying for days now Whisp Jun 2013 #8

got link to show they are not archiving calls? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #10

if you are so certain, please feel free to investigate it Whisp Jun 2013 #22

I searched (googled) for an answer to this question but could not find one. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #30

No, there is no content (conversations) in meta data. Whisp Jun 2013 #34

How do you know they are not recording conversations and storing them in the data center? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #47

I believe the President over Snowden. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #52

I don't. I hope this stays in the forefront of the news till we get more transparency Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #57

Did the President say they are not recording phone conversations? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #58

Yes. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #75

Seen this? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023050432 limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #89

Just to be clear.. pipoman Jun 2013 #71

FISA Court is not secret. You can read all about it on Wiki and even see the names of the judges Tx4obama Jun 2013 #76

So that's a yes? pipoman Jun 2013 #78

The Judges on the FISA Court ARE Federal District Judges Tx4obama Jun 2013 #77

Maybe you could post their oath taken to sit on the FISA, eh? pipoman Jun 2013 #81

Just read about the size of the databases they are building. reformist2 Jun 2013 #25

Maybe they are building the world's largest mp3 juke box. You can't prove they're not. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #33

They, who? ManiacJoe Jun 2013 #35

So if you call Canada the NSA might record the phone call conversation? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #42

It is certainly possible. ManiacJoe Jun 2013 #45

No, the NSA cannot record phone calls of Americans. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #49

Which judge on which court? pipoman Jun 2013 #72

Right. They're not recording the calls unless they have probable cause and they obtain Kahuna Jun 2013 #4

And it would be the FBI that wiretaps a phone if there is a warrant, not the NSA. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #9

How about a link to this protocol you seem to have access to? pipoman Jun 2013 #73

They don't have access to protocol, only talking points. morningfog Jun 2013 #82

Really? 99Forever Jun 2013 #55

prove what you had for lunch yesterday first. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #56

As expected. 99Forever Jun 2013 #70

I thought so. You can't do it. Something as simple as that. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #74

NSA probably could answer it for us. morningfog Jun 2013 #84

Tell you what, brainchild. 99Forever Jun 2013 #88

That's not right. The NSA collects all the call data on all Verizon customers everyday. morningfog Jun 2013 #79

Some people believe they're watching us through our TVs!1!1! Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #5

And if that doesn't work, they can watch our thoughts form as we type! randome Jun 2013 #12

What if I hit backspace. Do they still see the characters I erase? FSogol Jun 2013 #15

They know you like popcorn and will use that against you. randome Jun 2013 #23

Thanks for the chuckle. Just Saying Jun 2013 #80

what if I close my eyes while I type? Whisp Jun 2013 #24

Theres a feral cat who comes in when the weather is bad and likes to sleep on my keyboard. FSogol Jun 2013 #27

HD Guru: "Is Your New HDTV Watching You?" Catherina Jun 2013 #20

It's just that he understands the system better than you do. bornskeptic Jun 2013 #11

Nope, he does not nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #14

Hey guess what I've answered this allegation giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #37

Apparently even Snowden couldn't get access to anything but internal office documents. randome Jun 2013 #51

Lol I just posted a lovely little tibit that will get the hair on fire crowd in a tizzy. giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #65

Spinning like crazy. Spin, baby, spin. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #16

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17

What show was this? I'd like to see it if it's online n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #21

Hardball nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #26

Yeah, people are listeing on phone calls... graham4anything Jun 2013 #28

Stop reminding me how old I am. nt wandy Jun 2013 #36

You don't know that for 100% certain customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #29

They confirmed what I suspected for years nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #32

For anyone who wondere what the phrases "chilling effect" and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #69

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #83

you CAN'T drive faster than the speed limit. quadrature Jun 2013 #41

They don't actually need to listen to the calls. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #43

Yup...and we have been told nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #44

Actually, they don't know that. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #46

Getting the names of those that own the numbers is incredibly easy, especially for the NSA. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #63

And you assume they would get a warrant to check those kind of things out about you, right? randome Jun 2013 #50

Yep, a really large group of forum members here were led to believe that actually. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #53

I recommend reading the whole OP nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54

Oh I see. nah, the storage and processing requirements to listen in on everyone makes it an BenzoDia Jun 2013 #59

Hmmm hmmm. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #60

How much time/space do you think it'd take? BenzoDia Jun 2013 #61

Well, a free hint is the facility they are building right now. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #62

Bamford? That guy makes money to sell books with these ideas. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #64

So he made all up? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #66

I'm asking you to explain it in your own words. That's not too much to ask imo. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #67

We once had a party-line & I KNOW that people listened in SoCalDem Jun 2013 #86

I do...my family has personlly experienced the results nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #90