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In reply to the discussion: What we have here ... [View all]Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)as you denigrate Obama-supporters but don't similarly denigrate Obama-nonsupporters. You have a problem only with the supporters, it seems.
As for me, I am on the fence on this NSA thing. We simply don't have the facts yet. I decided long ago that the Patriot Act wasn't good and pushed our country one step closer to a Big Brother state. So altho I hadn't thought about it in a while, I wasn't surprised to hear that the database and snooping is going on. We really knew that, didn't we? Because of the Patriot Act.
Now, however, at least there's a court involved. Sure, they're rubber stamping. But there is SOMEONE outside the administration who knows details and decides whether to okay the procedure.
From what I can tell, they are not listening to conversations or reading e-mails, unless it's a targeted person, and they get a warrant for it. I heard a guy on tv say that he and others listened to phone conversations that didn't have a warrant. But if that's true, then he was doing so illegally. He also didn't say it was the rule or that it was sanctioned or requested by a higher level.
So this whole thing is upsetting. Still. Just like it was years ago, when the Patriot Act was passed.
Did Obama pledge to do away with the Patriot Act? And later endorsed it? Maybe. I don't recall. I don't recall, because I didn't vote for him for that reason.
I think it's probably a waste of taxpayer's money and probably doesn't see much benefit in results for all the cost and efforts. Does it infringe on my rights? I dunno. It's a database that lists server info...what sites my internet address has visited, what ph numbers my ph number has connected with. Not content. Just the fact that the communication or visit happened. There's no consitutional right to privacy for that, I think. Internet servers & phone companies and other businesses already have that information. There's no expectation of privacy on the internet, I think.