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Monkie

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34. the guardian is vetting, and has to obey UK national security laws

Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:09 PM

Jun 2013

this is no dump, some of the slides are redacted and that is no accident.
but i have to agree that it does look like there is some calculated decision making going on regarding when to release what.
i credit snowden with the intelligence to know that the only real way he can expose how bad it is if he can keep showing various members of the government and those meant to be providing oversight are lying.
i dont really think news of spying itself will end the severe "over reach", it will be when lie after lie is exposed.

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Greenwald: Fisa court oversight: a look inside a secret and empty process [View all] Luminous Animal Jun 2013 OP

Read enough to determine one thing: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #1

Yeah, the whole scandal's been a bust really. Goal posts keep on moving... BenzoDia Jun 2013 #2

He's got the goalposts in the back up a pickup... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #3

So you're cool with your govt spying on you and lying about it? chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #9

There was no lying really. Congress' vote for FISA Amendment Act is pretty clear. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #14

from the article questionseverything Jun 2013 #26

The Government has always acknowledged that sweeping up 'incidental' communication. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #30

incidental huh? questionseverything Jun 2013 #37

Your article is dealing with events that are pre-FISAAA. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #47

Well there's design and there's implementation tblue Jun 2013 #38

I'm not defending anything. Me saying that the leaks have been a bust is not the same as approving BenzoDia Jun 2013 #46

I'd hardly call it a bust Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #28

Get your eyes checked. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #4

Why? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #5

Kick for the intellectually stimulating criticism. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #6

Your intellectually stimulating comment is noted. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #7

Please read the article to learn how the govt and paid media are lying to you about the NSA spying. chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #8

LOL, and all he's really released was from a training session on NSA software. DevonRex Jun 2013 #10

K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #11

I'll take the place of the defenders of the faith. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #12

I think that covers it. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #13

i have read the article, greenwald back tracks on all his claims! Monkie Jun 2013 #17

Could you post a paragraph that shows the backtracking. kentuck Jun 2013 #45

parody does not translate well, it is scandalous, i have seen no backtracking at all Monkie Jun 2013 #48

Sorry Monkie... kentuck Jun 2013 #49

The next generation will have to be taught what "The Onion" was all about. reusrename Jun 2013 #50

As a matter of fact maxrandb Jun 2013 #18

listening or capturing,same dif questionseverything Jun 2013 #27

That's the beauty of it Maedhros Jun 2013 #33

+1 Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #51

How about a grandstanding I LOVE MyPOTUS!!!!! forestpath Jun 2013 #20

STOP IT Savannahmann Skittles Jun 2013 #25

9. We already knew about this, was common knowledge bobduca Jun 2013 #31

I wonder if Snowden waits for the Government response, and then forwards the rebuttal to Greenwald dkf Jun 2013 #15

According to Greenwald, the Guardian has it all it just takes time to Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #19

It could have been a second dump though. dkf Jun 2013 #22

#1) Why do you characterize it as a dump? And... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #24

the guardian is vetting, and has to obey UK national security laws Monkie Jun 2013 #34

I read through the entire thing. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #16

Court oversight does seem to be a joke. dkf Jun 2013 #23

secret protection is no protection questionseverything Jun 2013 #29

Yes, I think you have it exactly right, but I think there's more, much more. reusrename Jun 2013 #52

K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #21

Today, Senate Intel Committee blocked former staffer from talking to press about oversight Catherina Jun 2013 #32

about the PR angle, the president could of used this outrage and scandal as a weapon Monkie Jun 2013 #35

so how do we make them stop? questionseverything Jun 2013 #36

Where did you hear those details about the crash? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #41

they are in the news report link i posted questionseverything Jun 2013 #53

well i see the link does not work now questionseverything Jun 2013 #54

Thank you, Catherina. tblue Jun 2013 #39

Twilight Zone stuff. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #42

No shit Sherlock Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #40

Kick. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #43

VIP - Very Important Post kentuck Jun 2013 #44