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pipoman

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71. Just to be clear..

Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:45 PM

Jun 2013

you are ok with secret warrants issued by secret courts, ex parte, with no recourse for anyone affected? Why not just get the warrant from a US District Court? Maybe because there isn't a judge sitting on any US District bench who would sign such a blanket warrant? And as for the ridiculous arguments about corporations and facebook, when my taxes and the full force of the Federal Government are behind their marketing schemes, maybe it would be similar...never heard of microsoft imprisoning more people per-capita than any other nation on the planet..'til then, I can choose not to be on facebook..then there are the attempts to claim meta data isn't part of the content of a call...by your definition..no, it has become defense of the indefensible by people who would be spittn' nails and rightly so if this were exposed whilst a different party was in power..

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People believe their phone calls are being listened to... [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP

they can't go back and look at the contents. Whisp Jun 2013 #1

Who I talk to, when, and for how long IS fucking content as far as I am concerned. corkhead Jun 2013 #2

no it isn't. Content is the actual recording of conversations. Whisp Jun 2013 #6

Maybe you are fine with it, but I am just a little uncomfortable having to resign myself corkhead Jun 2013 #13

I am not fine with it, I haven't been for a long time. Whisp Jun 2013 #19

We're on the same page then. corkhead Jun 2013 #38

Whisp, doesn't it strike you that they have done what they CAN do? Th1onein Jun 2013 #85

That is NOT content - that is meta-data. Content is the actual conversion which they don't have. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #7

Thanks, but I already understand the definitions. Its the information "contained" in the meta-data corkhead Jun 2013 #31

Probable cause must be presented to a judge before a judge signs an order to retrieve the... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #48

The fact remains that it's being collected. I personally am not comfortable with that. corkhead Jun 2013 #87

According to the Supreme Court, no it is not Trekologer Jun 2013 #18

Understood; I wasn't going by Hoyle, just my perceptions. corkhead Jun 2013 #39

Don't forget metadata can provide the location you called from Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #40

How do you know whether they are archiving call contents or not? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #3

That is what many people have been saying for days now Whisp Jun 2013 #8

got link to show they are not archiving calls? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #10

if you are so certain, please feel free to investigate it Whisp Jun 2013 #22

I searched (googled) for an answer to this question but could not find one. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #30

No, there is no content (conversations) in meta data. Whisp Jun 2013 #34

How do you know they are not recording conversations and storing them in the data center? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #47

I believe the President over Snowden. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #52

I don't. I hope this stays in the forefront of the news till we get more transparency Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #57

Did the President say they are not recording phone conversations? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #58

Yes. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #75

Seen this? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023050432 limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #89

Just to be clear.. pipoman Jun 2013 #71

FISA Court is not secret. You can read all about it on Wiki and even see the names of the judges Tx4obama Jun 2013 #76

So that's a yes? pipoman Jun 2013 #78

The Judges on the FISA Court ARE Federal District Judges Tx4obama Jun 2013 #77

Maybe you could post their oath taken to sit on the FISA, eh? pipoman Jun 2013 #81

Just read about the size of the databases they are building. reformist2 Jun 2013 #25

Maybe they are building the world's largest mp3 juke box. You can't prove they're not. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #33

They, who? ManiacJoe Jun 2013 #35

So if you call Canada the NSA might record the phone call conversation? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #42

It is certainly possible. ManiacJoe Jun 2013 #45

No, the NSA cannot record phone calls of Americans. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #49

Which judge on which court? pipoman Jun 2013 #72

Right. They're not recording the calls unless they have probable cause and they obtain Kahuna Jun 2013 #4

And it would be the FBI that wiretaps a phone if there is a warrant, not the NSA. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #9

How about a link to this protocol you seem to have access to? pipoman Jun 2013 #73

They don't have access to protocol, only talking points. morningfog Jun 2013 #82

Really? 99Forever Jun 2013 #55

prove what you had for lunch yesterday first. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #56

As expected. 99Forever Jun 2013 #70

I thought so. You can't do it. Something as simple as that. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #74

NSA probably could answer it for us. morningfog Jun 2013 #84

Tell you what, brainchild. 99Forever Jun 2013 #88

That's not right. The NSA collects all the call data on all Verizon customers everyday. morningfog Jun 2013 #79

Some people believe they're watching us through our TVs!1!1! Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #5

And if that doesn't work, they can watch our thoughts form as we type! randome Jun 2013 #12

What if I hit backspace. Do they still see the characters I erase? FSogol Jun 2013 #15

They know you like popcorn and will use that against you. randome Jun 2013 #23

Thanks for the chuckle. Just Saying Jun 2013 #80

what if I close my eyes while I type? Whisp Jun 2013 #24

Theres a feral cat who comes in when the weather is bad and likes to sleep on my keyboard. FSogol Jun 2013 #27

HD Guru: "Is Your New HDTV Watching You?" Catherina Jun 2013 #20

It's just that he understands the system better than you do. bornskeptic Jun 2013 #11

Nope, he does not nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #14

Hey guess what I've answered this allegation giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #37

Apparently even Snowden couldn't get access to anything but internal office documents. randome Jun 2013 #51

Lol I just posted a lovely little tibit that will get the hair on fire crowd in a tizzy. giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #65

Spinning like crazy. Spin, baby, spin. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #16

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17

What show was this? I'd like to see it if it's online n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #21

Hardball nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #26

Yeah, people are listeing on phone calls... graham4anything Jun 2013 #28

Stop reminding me how old I am. nt wandy Jun 2013 #36

You don't know that for 100% certain customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #29

They confirmed what I suspected for years nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #32

For anyone who wondere what the phrases "chilling effect" and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #69

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #83

you CAN'T drive faster than the speed limit. quadrature Jun 2013 #41

They don't actually need to listen to the calls. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #43

Yup...and we have been told nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #44

Actually, they don't know that. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #46

Getting the names of those that own the numbers is incredibly easy, especially for the NSA. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #63

And you assume they would get a warrant to check those kind of things out about you, right? randome Jun 2013 #50

Yep, a really large group of forum members here were led to believe that actually. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #53

I recommend reading the whole OP nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54

Oh I see. nah, the storage and processing requirements to listen in on everyone makes it an BenzoDia Jun 2013 #59

Hmmm hmmm. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #60

How much time/space do you think it'd take? BenzoDia Jun 2013 #61

Well, a free hint is the facility they are building right now. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #62

Bamford? That guy makes money to sell books with these ideas. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #64

So he made all up? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #66

I'm asking you to explain it in your own words. That's not too much to ask imo. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #67

We once had a party-line & I KNOW that people listened in SoCalDem Jun 2013 #86

I do...my family has personlly experienced the results nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #90