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257. You have nailed it and I salute you! - nt

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Is it because he's black? [View all] Uzair Jun 2013 OP

"collected involves telephone numbers, duration, and times" is spying. and the white guy did it too msongs Jun 2013 #1

How can it be spying on you when it's the phone company's data? jeff47 Jun 2013 #7

So any data any companies have on me you think the government... Logical Jun 2013 #12

When the data no longer belongs to you, you don't get a say in what happens to it* jeff47 Jun 2013 #27

Or at least ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #85

We are allowed to have a say it what happens Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #280

Supreme Court has said meta-data isn't covered by the 4th amendment. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #38

Then why did Clapper lie about collecting meta-data? He could have said that they rhett o rick Jun 2013 #90

Because answering "yes" would reveal classified information. jeff47 Jun 2013 #102

That's not what he said in the interview in the link below. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #159

We're talking about classified or not. Not legal or not. jeff47 Jun 2013 #244

Gen Alexander said today they are looking at stopping the collection of meta-data. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #250

Do you not understand that because it is legal does not mean the fucking NSA needs to collect it? nt Logical Jun 2013 #91

Let's quit confusing data with meta data. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #130

yup. It has already been decided and is LEGAL and the court in 1979 decided this. graham4anything Jun 2013 #152

The metadata focus is the shiny object and line of the day. The issue is email and profiling. leveymg Jun 2013 #222

It is spying because the phone company gave it up under duress and because of the secrecy NSA RC Jun 2013 #20

Then you need to get that opinion reflected in law. jeff47 Jun 2013 #36

With all the secrecy, how do we know any warrants were issued? RC Jun 2013 #66

Because the leaked documents say they were. jeff47 Jun 2013 #104

I think I found the flaw in your thinking. RC Jun 2013 #290

The phone companies used to keep the records for 10 yrs. Storing it isn't new. nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #48

The phone company storing their own records is not the point. RC Jun 2013 #70

The NSA does not keep it forever. The NSA deletes data after five years. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #94

What proof do we have that the NSA deletes it after 5 years? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #157

Agreed. Maybe someone can tell us the E.O. number of the current Exec. Order that governs that? leveymg Jun 2013 #214

And I think that that decision should be revisited. There is too much information on an individual Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #21

Some of this discussion is about semantics. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #100

And we created laws to explicitly protect those medical records jeff47 Jun 2013 #120

Illegal?? Maybe not... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #127

One person's weight and list of medications is "data" OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #141

In the strict scientific sense... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #160

The Supreme Court never said that OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #180

Again... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #196

If the numbers you call are private OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #199

I am. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #218

Okey Dokey OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #219

it's good... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #223

It is NOT spying. Making a backup of the meta-data that the telecoms delete is not spying... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #19

There's an even stronger argument against having the telecoms store the data jeff47 Jun 2013 #42

If they aren't recording and saving content... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #135

There's no phone content. Once a judge issues a warrant to retrieve meta-data for an individual # Tx4obama Jun 2013 #177

B.S. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #258

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #266

Nothing in the TOS I signed said "oh by the way...." burnodo Jun 2013 #205

You may want to check that. thucythucy Jun 2013 #217

Only if George Bush is black, too. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #2

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #63

It was not a "scandal" at all during Bush years treestar Jun 2013 #267

Thank you. femmocrat Jun 2013 #3

YES. Rex Jun 2013 #4

Yes it is. I've been brought to tears. DevonRex Jun 2013 #55

I was shocked to hear certain people Rex Jun 2013 #243

I hate all this talk because we are losing time Politicalboi Jun 2013 #5

K&R to the greatest redqueen Jun 2013 #6

Are saying DUers who don't find the president's word sufficient whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #8

That's the way it came across to me also, premium Jun 2013 #23

When it comes to programs cloaked in secrecy, I don't take any politician at his word alone whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #31

I'm beginning to think it is the swooners who are racist Skittles Jun 2013 #128

the swooners who call others' racist most definitely. allin99 Jun 2013 #183

The idea that race preoccupies the thinking, yes Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #283

It's a tried and true method of stifling discussion. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #172

Possibly. Why don't you find it sufficient on this point? treestar Jun 2013 #268

Are you fucking serious? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #293

How can you be serious that nothing has changed? treestar Jun 2013 #311

And the bullshit continues... whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #312

Bush spied on Americans and trashed the constitution, and he's white. egduj Jun 2013 #9

Calling DUers who are against the infringement on our privacy, Marrah_G Jun 2013 #10

Thank You For Saying It! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #64

It is clear that reinforcements have been called in. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #99

+1 Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #147

Did you watch the video? Did you read the OP? Uzair Jun 2013 #198

Because the entire American government has been covering this up for years muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #264

+1000! n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #207

+1! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #303

+1 sibelian Jun 2013 #307

Thank you, Uzair.. for posting the Charlie Rose Interview and Cha Jun 2013 #11

Awe, the picture added so much! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #17

"they have to get a Goddamn warrant from the FISA court". KamaAina Jun 2013 #13

That's not true. From EPIC: Electronic Privacy Info Center: okaawhatever Jun 2013 #61

I guess I was referring to the figures from the past year. KamaAina Jun 2013 #68

Here is the link. It also shows how many "business records" were requested. Here's an okaawhatever Jun 2013 #109

Business records requests DO NOT NEED WARRANTS OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #158

Ok, so technically it wasn't bupkis Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #154

How many are denied by regular courts? jeff47 Jun 2013 #111

If other courts do issue search warrants like cash register receipts, KamaAina Jun 2013 #241

Again, that only applies if you think they're like TV. jeff47 Jun 2013 #242

Yes, a prosecutor knows the requirements treestar Jun 2013 #275

They still had to get the warrant treestar Jun 2013 #269

K&R. It is because he's black AND because Rand Paul wants to be President. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #14

I blame the media jeff47 Jun 2013 #15

Perspective...Lost In The Shuffle... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #107

You Might Want RobinA Jun 2013 #204

There's plenty of them that did "end well" or continue to operate well. jeff47 Jun 2013 #245

no and it's scurrilous to suggest the people like Bernie Sanders and Pat Leahy are bigot. cali Jun 2013 #16

Expected nothing less of this OP. nt. premium Jun 2013 #26

Right. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #32

95% of the planet isn't American Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #18

If you are a U.S. Citizen, the NSA CAN NOT AND HAVE NOT listened to your phone calls or targeted you progressoid Jun 2013 #22

It's hard to take anything the NSA says seriously premium Jun 2013 #34

Bob Somerby put it best: Calling other people racists is our side's favorite sport. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #24

But there is no evidence the government is doing that. randome Jun 2013 #40

I thought there was no doubt the NSA is collecting records of all phone calls in the U.S. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #44

They're storing the metadata but it can't be viewed without a 2nd warrant. randome Jun 2013 #52

I don't think they need another warrant to look at the metadata. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #103

You (and the author of that report) have an odd idea of confirmation. jeff47 Jun 2013 #116

Please show me a citation that a warrant is required to look at metadata. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #150

Read the first 2/3rds of your own damn link. jeff47 Jun 2013 #246

Nothing in there says they require a warrant. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #253

Not correct. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #162

The way I understand it is like this. randome Jun 2013 #288

Tell Brandon Mayfield how insignificant that loophole is. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #294

Well, the erroneous fingerprint match came from the FBI, not the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #306

The FBI is the entity which obtained the warrrant. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #313

It's the Facts that don't matter to anyone who is Cha Jun 2013 #50

I like how you capitalize facts. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #232

Especially by people who claim to have voted for him treestar Jun 2013 #274

Nope. Android3.14 Jun 2013 #25

I'd want to be on the other side of Rush, Beck, Hannity, and the Teabaggers myself Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #79

Rush, Beck, Hannity, and the Teabaggers probably support oxygen to breathe as well.. frylock Jun 2013 #187

So do the folks you disagree with. You want to be opposite on Oxygen to breathe too? nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #248

Yep, it's because he's black . . . and a Democrat rightsideout Jun 2013 #28

You like to forget that many of us that aren't Reich Wingers NEVER, EVER supported this shit. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #95

Tripe. Digest this like an adult. I do not trust Obama's words because of the many Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #29

I don't think our Teapublican friends have figured out what to do with all this..... wandy Jun 2013 #30

You're kidding. They are feeding us this shit with a spoon, and we are eating it up. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #46

I'm going to allow that "our" confusion is a natural result...... wandy Jun 2013 #60

They don't need to do anything while the vast majority on the left continues to blame Obama. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #82

My Tea Party relatives think NSA will target them "like the IRS has." Problem is DevonRex Jun 2013 #110

hilarious. KG Jun 2013 #33

"you are not being spied on. Period." Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #35

oh boy Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #37

Amazing that all these low count posters are in here defending the despicable actions bowens43 Jun 2013 #39

They are? How so? Uzair Jun 2013 #200

In the interests of transparency - RILib Jun 2013 #41

People haven't taken into consideration that there are alot of people and outside groups okaawhatever Jun 2013 #43

Does nobody on the Board OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #171

Don't Forget RobinA Jun 2013 #210

are you saying i am a racist? provide proof or retract the claim! Monkie Jun 2013 #45

I definitely believe it is - for some. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #47

Barry to obama, Bubba to bill, what's the difference? you're the one reducing obama to his color... allin99 Jun 2013 #89

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #284

+1000 Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #184

The demands he do this and that and that he'd better pay for the vote treestar Jun 2013 #273

YES! And I wish this site had been around when Clinton was in office, then we'd have a comparison. redqueen Jun 2013 #49

I've said the same. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #56

I edited my post so you might want to as well... redqueen Jun 2013 #59

I'm good. I still agree. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #67

Nowhere near the disrespect, derision, and downright hatred. I've never seen anything like it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #146

It's expected from the other side these days. But this foaming-at-the-mouth invective from dems... redqueen Jun 2013 #281

You're joking, right? Beacool Jun 2013 #298

Whoop, there it is! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #71

No it's because his polices suck on this issue. Also your post full of untruths. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #51

+1000 Hydra Jun 2013 #255

So when the next Republican President comes along MNBrewer Jun 2013 #53

I think that you have lost it. n/t demmiblue Jun 2013 #54

A quick search of the Op's other "great" posts HangOnKids Jun 2013 #69

A very brave OP to post in this environment CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #57

Hmm, I wonder why people think it is directed at them personally? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #65

Fair enough point. And at least CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #76

Did you read the OP? His accusations are pointed at Democrats and DU posters. tritsofme Jun 2013 #78

+1!! Ain't that the truth. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #86

oh it's clearly meant personally and to chill criticism. whatever else it is and it's many things cali Jun 2013 #87

It makes me question the race issue even more when people think they're being targeted. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #148

Oh. So if one takes offense at being smeared as a racist DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #175

Hmm... The OP didn't call you or anyone else racist. The OP is suggesting that the treatment of Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #185

Don't play word games. He clearly implied racism toward DUers DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #188

You're welcome. My opinion stands: Racism against this president exists. It exists on ALL Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #192

That sounds a lot like Fox News "just asking questions" Union Scribe Jun 2013 #225

It smacks of RNC intern, trying to foment discord on DU. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #249

Yes. I only voted for him twice and campaigned for him hard Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #58

" Is it because he's black?". Absolutely. BumRushDaShow Jun 2013 #62

You just said two mutually exclusive things in summary. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #72

just like critics of Amin, Mugabe, Duvalier, Obote, Museveni, Savimbi, Mobutu! MisterP Jun 2013 #73

Where's tthe dang Un-Rec button when I need it. x1000 truebluegreen Jun 2013 #74

... The Link Jun 2013 #75

Nope, but nice distraction. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #77

When all else fails trot out the racism card. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #80

Interesting phrasing. Hardly ever seen on a leftwing board. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #83

Dangle your stinking bait in front of somebody else. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #167

"Must ... be ... strong. Cannot ... risk ... being ... outed." Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #173

Yes, everything boils down to skin color. Except to those of us who think he is more than just... allin99 Jun 2013 #81

I don't think you Obama "supporters" have any clue how much damage you are doing to Obama Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #84

I campaigned in Phili for Michael Nutter (black mayor) before obama, i'm also black and... allin99 Jun 2013 #96

It is a sad thing to watch Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #101

you bring up something i was going to mention... allin99 Jun 2013 #106

Yes, you are right most racism is very subtle Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #114

exactly. they mock racism... allin99 Jun 2013 #129

It SHOULDN'T be about an individual, CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #108

Focus on the real cases of racism, don't make up fake ones Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #121

It is about the individual, and it's about race. ucrdem Jun 2013 #136

PROVE Democracy Now is racist. You have nothing. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #178

You keep repeating these baseless and vile accusations about Democracy Now suffragette Jun 2013 #220

With supporters like these, the republicans are safe. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #233

This has been going on since 2007 yardwork Jun 2013 #292

Wow! One of the best OPs I've ever read on DU. ucrdem Jun 2013 #88

up is down and down is up. Orwell is spinning revolutions in his grave. cali Jun 2013 #105

Why? I don't see anything so Orwellian about the OP. ucrdem Jun 2013 #153

The smell of desperation... 99Forever Jun 2013 #92

Since the word of a known liar has been taken as fact, lying ABOUT what he's "leaking" DevonRex Jun 2013 #93

What about those of us with friends and family overseas? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #97

This is really filthy, and you got by with it. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #98

...and I'm going to put it as simply as I can: Go.Fuck.Yourself. Earth_First Jun 2013 #112

A jury just voted 4-2 to keep this. ucrdem Jun 2013 #125

Well urcdem... The OP was looking for a reaction and he got it. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #151

We could say the same about the torch-and-pitchfork department, couldn't we? ucrdem Jun 2013 #156

It's all very transparent Marrah_G Jun 2013 #165

Which "problem," Marrah_G? Can you tell me what you're insinuating, please? ucrdem Jun 2013 #170

The problem of people joining just to stir up crap. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #174

And who would that be? The people posting lies by racist Greenwald for example? ucrdem Jun 2013 #176

Goodnight urcdem Marrah_G Jun 2013 #182

Likewise. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #186

Good. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #226

I would have voted to uphold your post! Calling DU members a racist is unbelievable! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #131

Were you on this jury? Before editing you said "I voted to uphold this post." ucrdem Jun 2013 #164

I was not. It was a typo. I left off 'would have'. Sorry!! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #166

Okay thanks. I hope someone can post the results. ucrdem Jun 2013 #168

+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #132

well stated frylock Jun 2013 #194

Wow, aren't we defensive Uzair Jun 2013 #195

I am not going to quantify an iota of my opinion to you... Earth_First Jun 2013 #201

Most of those screaming aren't too stupid to understand what Obama says here. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #113

LOL, yes, most of the DU does not know the truth. Keep trying! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #133

Most of the public in general. Millions think Obama listens to them on the phone. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #137

"Millions think Obama listens to them on the phone"...OK Einstein..... Logical Jun 2013 #142

Black and White smknz Jun 2013 #115

Nope. It's because he's just another slick politician who lied his way into office. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #117

You are being distracted by this one program... dkf Jun 2013 #118

No, and to suggest that is offensive. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #119

What did I miss? magellan Jun 2013 #122

Well, it wouldn't be me without the occasional double post magellan Jun 2013 #123

Sure it is madokie Jun 2013 #124

Okay. LWolf Jun 2013 #126

That is insulting. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #134

No, it's because he is Irish. nt TexasTowelie Jun 2013 #138

I would honestly be embarrassed by this post, if I were on the OP's side of the debate. Marr Jun 2013 #139

Bush wasn't black and a lot of folks were upset with his wrong-doing, why would you expect different usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #140

The SAME issue? Watch the video. Read the OP. Uzair Jun 2013 #197

Yes, the same issue, have you heard of the FISA Amendments Act? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #208

Exactly. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #227

Perhaps for similar reasons that it was challenging to believe Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #215

You have nailed it and I salute you! - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #257

They were not treestar Jun 2013 #270

Is your uncritical support because he's black? Coccydynia Jun 2013 #143

+1 Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #145

heh. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #304

Some scholars agreed that... TRoN33 Jun 2013 #144

Which ones where those? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #149

Simple minded accusation don't you think? Notafraidtoo Jun 2013 #155

"is it because he's black?".....yes. madrchsod Jun 2013 #161

Great post, +1. sagat Jun 2013 #163

thanks for shedding light on your lack of quality thinking stupidicus Jun 2013 #169

Wow. The apologist ammo bucket must be empty if shameful racial animus DirkGently Jun 2013 #179

+100. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #213

Whoop de doo! Puglover Jun 2013 #181

30 more authoritarians for the ignore list bobduca Jun 2013 #189

Oh hell no. Puglover Jun 2013 #190

When I want to laugh, and I have the right attittude... bobduca Jun 2013 #191

I even got one sleeper that's been hiding since 2001. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #259

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #193

I think so Progressive dog Jun 2013 #202

How is it Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #211

Well I'm not ignoring it Progressive dog Jun 2013 #230

You misunderstood my post. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #235

I''ll buy that Bobbie Jo, I wasn't sure what you meant Progressive dog Jun 2013 #238

Is he continuing Bush-Cheney policies because he is half white? The Link Jun 2013 #203

No Americans caught up in that Verizon deal, you say? Skip Intro Jun 2013 #206

What the fuck is going on? Uzair Jun 2013 #209

You seem to be hinting that critics of Obama are racist. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #216

no doubt - it is why Al Gore has spoken out against the surveillance program! No other reason I can Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #212

this is going in the trash where it belongs. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #221

You consistently have the worst arguments I've ever seen on DU. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #224

I deal in FACTS Uzair Jun 2013 #229

Lol. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #231

+1000 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #234

Admiral of the fail fleet. The Link Jun 2013 #247

No, largely you do not deal in facts and when you do it's selective cali Jun 2013 #276

In November 2008 I was ecstatic. Finally, a black President! Finally, we could get on track! Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #228

Yes. southerncrone Jun 2013 #236

So, you're agreeing with the OP that DUers who continue to object to NSA scarletwoman Jun 2013 #239

+ 1,000 suffragette Jun 2013 #251

No, perhaps I should have said more. southerncrone Jun 2013 #254

You're saying that *all* attacks on Obama are because he's black? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #265

well, that's a steaming pile. By your, er, lights, no one should ever criticize President Obama cali Jun 2013 #271

It is interesting there was less concern during Bushco treestar Jun 2013 #277

No, and it's not even about Obama. ozone_man Jun 2013 #237

OZONE_MAN NAILS IT Skittles Jun 2013 #252

Yes it is treestar Jun 2013 #272

Who's this "they"? sibelian Jun 2013 #305

Look at DU for the day Eddie's name first came out treestar Jun 2013 #310

No. But I can see why that would be a comforting explanation to the hardcore devoted fan club/BOG-er quinnox Jun 2013 #240

Want to know what perpetuates racism, more than anything? mick063 Jun 2013 #256

A couple of things that make me go hmm... ucrdem Jun 2013 #260

Oh, holy fuck... Hissyspit Jun 2013 #261

They're just observations hissyspit . . . ucrdem Jun 2013 #262

a suspicous mind? No that's not the phrase. cali Jun 2013 #263

So, you're saying he's a bastard from the north? Babel_17 Jun 2013 #289

Well, well. sibelian Jun 2013 #297

Oh My GoD! Vanje Jun 2013 #309

jury results RILib Jun 2013 #278

Deputy head of NSA: queries of database can be authorised by any of 20 analysts and 2 managers muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #279

This thinking says more about the one thinking it Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #282

This is just crap. el_bryanto Jun 2013 #285

What a pathetic post, the apologists are really grasping now, NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #286

Please...someone tell me this is satire. Zorra Jun 2013 #287

Yes, it is. First comes the satire "and then there will be cake". Babel_17 Jun 2013 #291

LOL! Bless you. Zorra Jun 2013 #295

Oh boy, here we go again. Beacool Jun 2013 #296

Limbaugh consistently tells his listeners that his hatred for Pres. Obama is not racially motivated LanternWaste Jun 2013 #299

No. sibelian Jun 2013 #300

Tommy Chong couldn't possibly have ever smoked pot, because it is illegal. Zorra Jun 2013 #301

In this case, no. It's because he's disregarding the 4th Amendment. nt Deep13 Jun 2013 #302

Pfft. If you were really a liberal, you would know we hate white people, not black people. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #308