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In reply to the discussion: When Men Hate Women: Femicide in Ciudad Juarez [View all]GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)109. I gave it to you.
Last edited Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:59 AM - Edit history (1)
Fact: It is well known that the cartels are using REAL AK-47s, not U.S. made semi-auto clones. Real AK-47s have full-auto capability. You can't buy real AK-47s in the U.S. So they are obviously getting them from somewhere else.
The Mexican gov't does NOT submit all captured weapons to the U.S. for tracing. Weapons with Russian, Chinese, North Korean, or Arabic markings and full-auto capabilities obviously didn't come from here so there is no point in asking for a U.S. trace.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth
By the Numbers
As we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico (see external link).
According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.
This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced and not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.
By the Numbers
As we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico (see external link).
According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.
This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced and not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.
Where do you think the cartels are getting Korean grenades and RPG-7 launchers and rockets for them? They definately aren't made in the U.S. There does exist an international black market in arms. Watch the movie Lord of War. It is based on true incidents and on a real man, and is an entertaining movie.
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k and r for this horrific story. I used to go to ciudad juarez years ago, when it was relatively
niyad
Jun 2013
#1
I would guess that NAFTA contributed to a flood of new female workers to Juarez...
antigone382
Jun 2013
#26
Do you have any evidence that the killers are Americans crossing the border for kicks?
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#16
Why are you making this a fight? Why does this conversation make you jump to being offended?
Squinch
Jun 2013
#41
I know - American CCW holders killing women and smuggling the bodies into Mexico
hack89
Jun 2013
#58
What percentage of guns did the Mexican goverment submit to the US government for tracing?
hack89
Jun 2013
#145
no, i get it and you are correct. its an attempt to define a protected class. i fight it often. nt
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#27
i think you might need or want a break from DU because your ability to read my mind
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#39
men are murdered 3-1 over women nationally. go bark up a different tree nt
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#44
so men killing men doesn't count. most sexist quote ive seen on DU. please stop making
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#48
Yeah, that has to do with the minor fact the serial killers are targeting women
BainsBane
Jun 2013
#32
Reading comprehension, much? The OP DOES mention men, but notes that their murders ARE NOT
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#42
If you would like to make an OP about the deaths of men in Juarez, which are primarily from the
Squinch
Jun 2013
#65
there is nothing stopping you from posting an article on the number of men killed, you know.
niyad
Jun 2013
#114
Most of the cartel's guns are smuggled in for countries that make real AK-47s.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#86
The ATF shows 87% came from the US, murder apologist corp. says 90% didn't come from US
BainsBane
Jun 2013
#138
Start your own thread, then. BTW: Serial sex murders are not the same category as other killings.
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#45
I don't think that illustrating concern for A denies in any way any additional concern for B.
LanternWaste
Jun 2013
#117
So it's OK for you to hijack a discussion about a serial killer to push a fight from another thread?
Squinch
Jun 2013
#126
In the other thread she referred to this thread to make her point. N/T
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#165
its nice to see rational thought rewarded 6-0. DU never lets me down! nt
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#221