After reading the article by Glenn Greenwald...

[Catherina]

8. Well reasoned. The Senate Intelligence Committee and Holder need to go asap

I hope at least one decent member of Congress will come clean on this and admit what they know even if it means career suicide.

They're being muzzled at every turn with the President's heavy use of classifying everything.

Listening to all the word parsing, the spinning people are doing to obfuscate is downright embarrassing.

Another thing we need to do is address the Bluffdale data storage center. The government's claims that it's just metadata doesn't justify all those billions for mega storage facility that handles zettabytes.

There's a huge difference between "No one is listening to your calls" and "We're not recording your calls and having them processed by machine for stored analysis". This all goes hand in hand with the US arresting and abducting people all over the world so we can lock them up indefinitely, using torture and secret courts.

If everything is so legal, so clean, let's see all the judicial rulings and procedures. Let's see all the infrastructure that's been put in place for the next administration to do away with any remaining pretense of constitutional rights. It's like having your next door neighbor outfit his house with high tech surveillance equipment and asking you to trust him, that there are laws about what he can do in total secrecy, and oversight because his mother comes by for a visit 3 times a year.

If Snowden hadn't leaked the Verizon order, Clapper's lie that they're not collecting data on every American would be gospel truth and they'd all still be repeating that lie. Now that they've been caught in that lie, they want us to believe they're telling the truth. Their credibility is shot. Clapper and all of those who knew he lied should resign and face prosecution, for the good of our nation.

Meanwhile in the UK, the media was firmly told to [back off and shut up.

Britain's response to the NSA story? Back off and shut up

Snowden's revelations are causing outrage in the US. In the UK, Hague deploys a police-state defence and the media is silenced

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It vanished from general view. When the foreign secretary, William Hague, was questioned by the BBC on Monday, no mention was made of the affair. The media has been bidden to ignore the story and has done so. This was despite it running in leading newspapers round the world, from America and Europe to China and Russia.

Complaints at the bugging from governments in Turkey, South Africa and Germany have poured into the Foreign Office, yet the nearest British journalists can get to the story is to report the protests as foreign news.

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What matters here is first the mendacity. I see no problem in exchanging data between British and American security – except where, as in the NSA's Prism program, it is a device to circumvent legal constraint. There may be few people in Washington or London who really seek a global data empire through blackmailing the world's population; but hoovering intelligence on millions of private individuals extends far beyond the needs of national security, beyond the needs even of normal police work. The war on terror is rotting the internal organs of free states.

Standing in the Commons last week, William Hague denied he wanted to "trawl the contents of people's phone calls" and said every intercept had to be personally signed by him. He said that statute law, together with judicial and parliamentary oversight, had everything under proper control. He did not add that the government does indeed want to trawl the "meta-contents" of all calls and emails. We now know that it has access to once confidential international databases in doing so.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/uk-response-to-nsa-story-back-off-shut-up

This is not America. And that should not be Britain.

Thank you Kentuck. Rec'd