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Monkie

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45. 9/11 was a terrible crime, and i dont want to sound harsh

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:53 AM

Jun 2013

but honestly, even though it was a terrible crime, and 3000 people died in a horrible way, and i watched every minute that it was broadcasts, i did not turn away, to be clear.
even though it was a terrible crime, i dont feel threatened by terrorists at all, because again, i am more likely to die crossing the road or slipping in the bath.
i would rather live with the extremely rare risk of dying from a bomb attack than lose my basic human rights.
i would rather live with that risk than be jointly responsible for breaking of all known international laws and be jointly responsible for many more deaths.

i want to die free.
its not complicated.

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NSA Considers Ending Collection Of Data On Americans' Phone Calls [View all] Purveyor Jun 2013 OP

And they should stop scooping up data from the fiber optic cables. dkf Jun 2013 #1

And they need to erase their existing databases. reformist2 Jun 2013 #29

That is the critical bit. Thanks! nt Pholus Jun 2013 #54

Obviously they have a better replacement to PRISM Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #64

Under current law, NSA can retain any and all data collected for five years. That's why they leveymg Jun 2013 #82

And they should jettison reasonable suspicion and reinstate probable cause. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #2

yep Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #3

Gee, I feel better already. forestpath Jun 2013 #4

I know right! nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #9

They're just trying to shut us up. tblue Jun 2013 #26

Yeah, how would we know? Everything is super-secret.... truth2power Jun 2013 #37

"finally tell the truth"? Android3.14 Jun 2013 #42

i didn't state that very well... truth2power Jun 2013 #47

What are the other components of their surveillance programs? Downwinder Jun 2013 #5

I'll believe it when I read the fine print Xipe Totec Jun 2013 #6

it will also depend on how long they expect the telecoms to keep this data? Monkie Jun 2013 #10

Waiter, bring another yottabyte of storage for my pals at The Company. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2013 #12

Classified MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #35

I agree lbrtbell Jun 2013 #68

That would be nice but they won't Autumn Jun 2013 #7

It would be desirable to have honest truthful personnel to understand how to follow the rules of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #8

Horseshit! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #11

They'll have Halliburton handle it for them. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #13

Ding! Ding! Ding! reusrename Jun 2013 #48

I'd like to like this magellan Jun 2013 #14

I know! Let us spy on them for a change. tblue Jun 2013 #23

***WINK-WINK*** usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #15

i thought only last week this metadata was vital to national security? Monkie Jun 2013 #17

Congrats. The conspiracy minded people gholtron Jun 2013 #38

i hope that is sarcasm, i have nothing to fear from "terrorists", i fear crossing the road Monkie Jun 2013 #41

So 911 wss just a dream then gholtron Jun 2013 #43

9/11 was a terrible crime, and i dont want to sound harsh Monkie Jun 2013 #45

So maybe you can teach us gholtron Jun 2013 #46

So very, very, VERY Goodbye! FiveGoodMen Jun 2013 #56

I'm with you. reflection Jun 2013 #57

You do know you're several times more likely to die from lightning than terrorism, right? EOTE Jun 2013 #66

You are missing the point. gholtron Jun 2013 #70

So, you get it, you just think that tossing away our freedoms is totally worth the illusion of EOTE Jun 2013 #71

Did you not read what I wrote? gholtron Jun 2013 #72

You used 9/11 as an excuse for succumbing to the surveillance state. EOTE Jun 2013 #73

Ok I see your solution gholtron Jun 2013 #74

Yeah, this kooky, crazy conspiracy world. EOTE Jun 2013 #75

people die Meaniepants Jun 2013 #79

Tell that to the people of Bali gholtron Jun 2013 #80

Too late Meaniepants Jun 2013 #78

Has anyone addressed the fact that the NSA isnt supposed to be monitoring Americans in the country? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #16

I think may be all one big interconnected system at this point Jarla Jun 2013 #18

NSA thinks about obeying the Constitution. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #19

Metadata is public record gholtron Jun 2013 #39

So what about emails, text messages, IM messages, web search results, etc.? Jarla Jun 2013 #20

I post from above the border (Canada) so... Amonester Jun 2013 #21

Why? Half of DU wants them to continue. tblue Jun 2013 #22

OMG, the NSA is thinking about following the law?? Hydra Jun 2013 #24

In other words, send it back to secret status. Rex Jun 2013 #25

No point in doing that. The people who think NSA listens to their calls DevonRex Jun 2013 #27

The funny thing you see running through this thread is just JoePhilly Jun 2013 #49

Oh yes. DevonRex Jun 2013 #50

Bwahahaha .... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #52

They didn't stop doing it when it was illegal; why stop now? n/t winter is coming Jun 2013 #28

Exactly, I don't see any point in doing so Rex Jun 2013 #30

So can one safely assume ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #31

And they're going to stop work on that little building out in Utah... kentuck Jun 2013 #32

Stop collecting or stop admitting they're collecting? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #33

You mean, they SAY they're considering it. Myrina Jun 2013 #34

They might say they're going to stop such actions, but they won't. DiamondDog Jun 2013 #36

Why?? kentuck Jun 2013 #40

Why should we believe they did Fearless Jun 2013 #44

Like the protesters in Germany Politicalboi Jun 2013 #51

So...now they're redefining the word "ending"? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #53

So they thought of a new code-name to cover the activity I guess. Pholus Jun 2013 #55

Did they end Total Information Awareness? No they didn't. AZ Progressive Jun 2013 #58

I personally believe that a database that gathers the phone numbers is ok cstanleytech Jun 2013 #59

Suuuure. And to be replaced with ??? blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #60

I think there is little doubt there will always be such a database and cstanleytech Jun 2013 #62

Now, that's the best idea I've heard in a long time Jack Rabbit Jun 2013 #61

"Considering." Weasel word. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #63

Just Great! BillyRibs Jun 2013 #65

You know it is bad when kitt6 Jun 2013 #67

What's to "consider," fuckwads? lastlib Jun 2013 #69

Hahahahaha!!! They will say they are stopping and they will continue. I'm not stupid. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #76

privte vs public Meaniepants Jun 2013 #77

"Considers". How nice of them. marble falls Jun 2013 #81

Schiff's suggestion would bring the US a little closer to the German JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83