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FarCenter

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15. The warrantless wiretapping is on international calls.

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:49 AM

Jun 2013

Cross-border communications have generally been intercepted since WW II. That is what NSA does.

They may involve Americans at one or both ends, and when they do, procedures are in place to minimze exposure of US citizen's privacy. But when you place an international call, it can be intercepted and probably will be.

Phone calls within the US are not routinely intercepted. Phone calls of non-US persons within the US may be intercepted if the parties to the call are identified with terrorist or intelligence assets of foreign countries. These calls may involve innocent US citizens, but again, procedures are in place to minimize privacy exposure.

NSA does not have equipment intercepting phone calls in all of the telephone offices in the country, and around half of all calls stay within the local telephone office. Most of the rest involve only one interoffice link.

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After reading the article by Glenn Greenwald... [View all] kentuck Jun 2013 OP

Did anyone not read the article by Greenwald? kentuck Jun 2013 #1

ermmigawd! Glenn Greenwald! argleblarglebarg! KG Jun 2013 #2

Well-reasoned, cogent analysis. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #3

If you believe that, what can I say. I'm not exactly Einstein, but closeupready Jun 2013 #4

I think it is rather obvious... kentuck Jun 2013 #5

Oh, ok, good - I misread your take on this. closeupready Jun 2013 #6

its not like the surveillance state is putting people on edge? Monkie Jun 2013 #7

Well reasoned. The Senate Intelligence Committee and Holder need to go asap Catherina Jun 2013 #8

I think the people are truly bothered by this issue. kentuck Jun 2013 #11

I don't believe this POTUS, or a future one, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #12

I have read.. kentuck Jun 2013 #13

Seneca went into it, yes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #14

He does indeed and Snowden challenged him to take this opportunity Catherina Jun 2013 #20

Someday we will regret it if he does not... kentuck Jun 2013 #21

Determined expansion is what I'm seeing too. Catherina Jun 2013 #25

I hate to say it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #30

''If you are a US person...'' Octafish Jun 2013 #9

That's a state secret, like everything else in this transparency n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #10

The warrantless wiretapping is on international calls. FarCenter Jun 2013 #15

But didn't the "whistleblower" dispute those facts? kentuck Jun 2013 #16

No, read Greenwald's blog carefully -- he is trying to conflate domestic and international calling. FarCenter Jun 2013 #17

How did you interpret this? kentuck Jun 2013 #24

The preceding paragraph explained it FarCenter Jun 2013 #29

And that is the problem. kentuck Jun 2013 #31

I believe that they follow the law, since they have set up a whole procedure to monitor compliance FarCenter Jun 2013 #32

Who's policing compliance? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #33

Anarchy? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #18

The elites in Congress and on both sides of the aisle are comfy, closeupready Jun 2013 #19

Did anyone notice? kentuck Jun 2013 #22

Astute observation. closeupready Jun 2013 #23

That would be interesting if correct. But it's not. Both parties are split on the issue. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #27

actually, I noticed the anti-Obama people in the media, same as other smears & the BushPaulfamilyinc graham4anything Jun 2013 #28

Yes, the people supporting Obama's spying are in agreement with Bush, Cheney, Ari Fleischer... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #34

That's quite a floodgate Snowden opened. Or rather so many floodgates. Catherina Jun 2013 #26