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JoePhilly

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49. The funny thing you see running through this thread is just

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:02 PM

Jun 2013

how utterly confused some seem to be about how the program works now, and how it would work under what's being considered.

The level of hyperbole, screaming, and miss characterization has been so over the top, that most of these folks can't follow the details of the change that's being discussed.

And given their confusion, its easier to simply say that they won't believe anything that is said about anything.

In the end you are correct. They are already sure that their calls are being listened to and nothing that happens will stop that.

But hey, maybe they'll use better phone etiquette going forward.

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NSA Considers Ending Collection Of Data On Americans' Phone Calls [View all] Purveyor Jun 2013 OP

And they should stop scooping up data from the fiber optic cables. dkf Jun 2013 #1

And they need to erase their existing databases. reformist2 Jun 2013 #29

That is the critical bit. Thanks! nt Pholus Jun 2013 #54

Obviously they have a better replacement to PRISM Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #64

Under current law, NSA can retain any and all data collected for five years. That's why they leveymg Jun 2013 #82

And they should jettison reasonable suspicion and reinstate probable cause. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #2

yep Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #3

Gee, I feel better already. forestpath Jun 2013 #4

I know right! nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #9

They're just trying to shut us up. tblue Jun 2013 #26

Yeah, how would we know? Everything is super-secret.... truth2power Jun 2013 #37

"finally tell the truth"? Android3.14 Jun 2013 #42

i didn't state that very well... truth2power Jun 2013 #47

What are the other components of their surveillance programs? Downwinder Jun 2013 #5

I'll believe it when I read the fine print Xipe Totec Jun 2013 #6

it will also depend on how long they expect the telecoms to keep this data? Monkie Jun 2013 #10

Waiter, bring another yottabyte of storage for my pals at The Company. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2013 #12

Classified MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #35

I agree lbrtbell Jun 2013 #68

That would be nice but they won't Autumn Jun 2013 #7

It would be desirable to have honest truthful personnel to understand how to follow the rules of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #8

Horseshit! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #11

They'll have Halliburton handle it for them. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #13

Ding! Ding! Ding! reusrename Jun 2013 #48

I'd like to like this magellan Jun 2013 #14

I know! Let us spy on them for a change. tblue Jun 2013 #23

***WINK-WINK*** usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #15

i thought only last week this metadata was vital to national security? Monkie Jun 2013 #17

Congrats. The conspiracy minded people gholtron Jun 2013 #38

i hope that is sarcasm, i have nothing to fear from "terrorists", i fear crossing the road Monkie Jun 2013 #41

So 911 wss just a dream then gholtron Jun 2013 #43

9/11 was a terrible crime, and i dont want to sound harsh Monkie Jun 2013 #45

So maybe you can teach us gholtron Jun 2013 #46

So very, very, VERY Goodbye! FiveGoodMen Jun 2013 #56

I'm with you. reflection Jun 2013 #57

You do know you're several times more likely to die from lightning than terrorism, right? EOTE Jun 2013 #66

You are missing the point. gholtron Jun 2013 #70

So, you get it, you just think that tossing away our freedoms is totally worth the illusion of EOTE Jun 2013 #71

Did you not read what I wrote? gholtron Jun 2013 #72

You used 9/11 as an excuse for succumbing to the surveillance state. EOTE Jun 2013 #73

Ok I see your solution gholtron Jun 2013 #74

Yeah, this kooky, crazy conspiracy world. EOTE Jun 2013 #75

people die Meaniepants Jun 2013 #79

Tell that to the people of Bali gholtron Jun 2013 #80

Too late Meaniepants Jun 2013 #78

Has anyone addressed the fact that the NSA isnt supposed to be monitoring Americans in the country? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #16

I think may be all one big interconnected system at this point Jarla Jun 2013 #18

NSA thinks about obeying the Constitution. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #19

Metadata is public record gholtron Jun 2013 #39

So what about emails, text messages, IM messages, web search results, etc.? Jarla Jun 2013 #20

I post from above the border (Canada) so... Amonester Jun 2013 #21

Why? Half of DU wants them to continue. tblue Jun 2013 #22

OMG, the NSA is thinking about following the law?? Hydra Jun 2013 #24

In other words, send it back to secret status. Rex Jun 2013 #25

No point in doing that. The people who think NSA listens to their calls DevonRex Jun 2013 #27

The funny thing you see running through this thread is just JoePhilly Jun 2013 #49

Oh yes. DevonRex Jun 2013 #50

Bwahahaha .... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #52

They didn't stop doing it when it was illegal; why stop now? n/t winter is coming Jun 2013 #28

Exactly, I don't see any point in doing so Rex Jun 2013 #30

So can one safely assume ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #31

And they're going to stop work on that little building out in Utah... kentuck Jun 2013 #32

Stop collecting or stop admitting they're collecting? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #33

You mean, they SAY they're considering it. Myrina Jun 2013 #34

They might say they're going to stop such actions, but they won't. DiamondDog Jun 2013 #36

Why?? kentuck Jun 2013 #40

Why should we believe they did Fearless Jun 2013 #44

Like the protesters in Germany Politicalboi Jun 2013 #51

So...now they're redefining the word "ending"? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #53

So they thought of a new code-name to cover the activity I guess. Pholus Jun 2013 #55

Did they end Total Information Awareness? No they didn't. AZ Progressive Jun 2013 #58

I personally believe that a database that gathers the phone numbers is ok cstanleytech Jun 2013 #59

Suuuure. And to be replaced with ??? blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #60

I think there is little doubt there will always be such a database and cstanleytech Jun 2013 #62

Now, that's the best idea I've heard in a long time Jack Rabbit Jun 2013 #61

"Considering." Weasel word. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #63

Just Great! BillyRibs Jun 2013 #65

You know it is bad when kitt6 Jun 2013 #67

What's to "consider," fuckwads? lastlib Jun 2013 #69

Hahahahaha!!! They will say they are stopping and they will continue. I'm not stupid. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #76

privte vs public Meaniepants Jun 2013 #77

"Considers". How nice of them. marble falls Jun 2013 #81

Schiff's suggestion would bring the US a little closer to the German JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83