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OneGrassRoot

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178. A lot of this goes wayyyyyyyy back...

Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:34 PM

Jun 2013

I see people reference "bad blood" from several primaries ago. Lots of interpersonal BS.

That's what I mean, there's a lot underlying things here, way beyond disagreeing about one issue or how people are labeling one another about this NSA/Snowden issue.

I will say, however, that the Snowden issue seems to be the straw that is breaking the camel's back. It has definitely been leading toward this for a while though. There is a lot of animosity here between enough members that it impacts the health of this particular online community.

Again, I tend to shut down and don't absorb who's who as far as the sides (for lack of a better word), so I couldn't begin to place blame even if I tried. I'm commenting on a general observation, my own personal opinion.

Since I choose to remain clueless about this aspect of DU life, I'll shut up now.

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What we have here ... [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP

K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #1

One of your best posts Nadin. +1000 dkf Jun 2013 #2

You nailed it. Thank you. Autumn Jun 2013 #3

You are not the only one who feels that way Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #4

It will bear fruit nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

I am sorry to think that I will not be here Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #13

Yup, I know. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #15

Never say you've hit bottom malthaussen Jun 2013 #136

It's not really constitutionalists vs. authoritarians. It seems more like JaneyVee Jun 2013 #5

See what I mean? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #7

I'm agreeing with you. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #8

But I am one of the people with the hair on fire nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #12

That's not a bad thing, everyone is different and has different thresholds. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #14

Well, this is to te point many of us will not play nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17

With this "Court" overseeing it, tblue Jun 2013 #57

Don't exaggerate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #59

The NSA says they don't need to get warrants every time LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #112

It is an old fashioned Stasi nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #113

not at all. not when you have folks on your side who surely have their hair flaming cali Jun 2013 #11

Flaming hair all around. Then there's those without flaming hair. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #16

My hair used to be calm...because I mistakenly believed we had a government that would dkf Jun 2013 #98

What about those of us without any hair? Okay, I guess that's a discussion for SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #151

And there is a perfect example of why people are giving up on both parties. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #72

In time of war nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #82

We're talking about metadata collection, no one is giving up freedom. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #135

What is this 'metadata' you are speaking of? I was told by the President that my sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #138

Sabrina, your ability to accurately assess situations Generic Other Jun 2013 #140

That was very nice of you to say Generic Other. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #211

Thank you for saying what I've been thinking! DearHeart Jun 2013 #209

It seems more like a 'trust' vs. a 'dis-trust' divide to me. There are those who HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #124

I think you are only seeing half the danger. reusrename Jun 2013 #139

Very good post! Caretha Jun 2013 #186

Can you explain to me how we can have a democracy if our security JDPriestly Jun 2013 #162

The lesser of two evils is catching up fast. Cuts to food snaps (Senate Dems voted for it), forestpath Jun 2013 #9

Well, your bias showed up in the 1st paragraph.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #10

Good post... one_voice Jun 2013 #18

^^^^^^^^^ all of this ^^^^^^^^ pkdu Jun 2013 #20

That was what I was thinking that same thing, although in a bit different way davidpdx Jun 2013 #55

Are you sure the FISA court is free from the administration? Coccydynia Jun 2013 #25

The FISA court is appointed by none other Unknown Beatle Jun 2013 #66

So it is free from this administration Coccydynia Jun 2013 #69

Yes, good post! mountain grammy Jun 2013 #45

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #106

You don't get it, Caretha Jun 2013 #187

End the war on terror abelenkpe Jun 2013 #19

the way you've divided folks here (and wherever) bigtree Jun 2013 #21

Not taking the bait nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #22

you're the one who wrote this baiting post bigtree Jun 2013 #24

Nope, not taking the bait nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #26

Feedback isn't bait and a couple of people have Skidmore Jun 2013 #160

I do not compromise with the constitution. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #161

I did not ask you to compromise anything Skidmore Jun 2013 #166

Straw men, labeling, other ad hominem tactics, thats the order of the day if you dont completely buy stevenleser Jun 2013 #176

I will make an exception nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #198

I'm also prior service and also took an oath. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up? stevenleser Jun 2013 #204

And from now on, we are done. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #206

How can the discussion NOT BE about you Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #189

You are correct. Once I researched the facts and put them out there both on my show and via stevenleser Jun 2013 #152

You've attributed Nadin Caretha Jun 2013 #188

...is failure to communicate. bluedigger Jun 2013 #23

So true...so true. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2013 #33

It's like I summoned you... bluedigger Jun 2013 #35

Ol' Blue ALWAYS goes after the scent... FailureToCommunicate Jun 2013 #37

Exactly what popped into my head when I saw the title. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #137

Democracy in the USA is like a zombie. It's dead and it doesn't know it. L0oniX Jun 2013 #27

It helps I cover local news nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

Great Post, L0oniX...from one voting zombie to another...nt GReedDiamond Jun 2013 #91

And a Faustian bargain waged for our zombie souls Generic Other Jun 2013 #141

This term "authoritarian" sure has caught on. gulliver Jun 2013 #29

You should invest in a dictionary nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #30

It's Nadine vs the Hax of Sol III Fumesucker Jun 2013 #31

Thanks for kicking this thread, I almost missed it and it is a very excellent OP. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #79

You knew I'd HAVE to click on this one... FailureToCommunicate Jun 2013 #32

LOL ... perfect! Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #34

LOL! Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #36

Honest to dawg, I thought it was going to end this way. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #50

Those who disagree with you PREFER to live under an authoritarian state BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #38

So be it...you have a right to your opinion nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #41

You take it to another level BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #43

Nope, I don't nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #46

Why not just call us all fascists? BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #47

If you wish nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #52

I sincerely hope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #76

I wish some folks read what others who have gone through this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #78

I am reviewing my past views on these issues per your suggestion Generic Other Jun 2013 #144

Seriously... DevonRex Jun 2013 #145

Hilarious, is it not? DevonRex Jun 2013 #61

And here we are discussing it freely on technology that was handed down by the military BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #63

Yes. I'm proud to have worked on the original. DevonRex Jun 2013 #73

You are completely wrong Caretha Jun 2013 #191

Oh yeah? DevonRex Jun 2013 #207

Well said and K&R zeemike Jun 2013 #39

I can't see a large swath nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #40

I can see it all. zeemike Jun 2013 #42

I bet nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #49

You're not missing anything, same old same old yawn inducting 'rah rah' I'm so funny and it is it sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #81

I suspect also a personal attack nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #83

Weak attempts, yes. Considering the sources though your credibiity is being hugely enhanced sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #87

No it is just between people who understand the law and people who do not treestar Jun 2013 #44

I must admit, a nice variation nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #48

The race card. ReRe Jun 2013 #60

It is not what they believe. Just another distraction technique, best to ignore it. Did you see the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #84

I got it in my notes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #85

No, I haven't seen what you mentioned... ReRe Jun 2013 #96

Consider the sources. I never get upset by anything said by these people, although accusing DUers sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #99

I Ignored my first person! ReRe Jun 2013 #101

Lol, I went to political bootcamp when Bush was installed in the WH. I used to go to sites sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #103

And those "liberals" who desperately search for any sign of imperfection in the President? baldguy Jun 2013 #51

Actually in my case it is all but the authoritarians. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54

Yeah, but they didn't seem to really care until these allegations were leveled against Obama. baldguy Jun 2013 #56

Some of us cared since the USPA was announced nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #58

Stop using the race card right now. ReRe Jun 2013 #67

The allegations, what allegations? Leaks is what the President called them. That means they are sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #89

The allegations that the NSA has been listening to your phone calls. baldguy Jun 2013 #93

That is NOT what people are upset about. They are upset, try to read this carefully, about sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #97

Great post! +++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #172

This wasn't levelled against the President Hydra Jun 2013 #100

We don't have to desperately search for any sign of "imperfection" YoungDemCA Jun 2013 #149

K&R midnight Jun 2013 #53

Excellent Post Nadin Phlem Jun 2013 #62

I can't, many residents are on my ignore list nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #65

their abuse is not entertaining, but it is a testimony to your irrefutability carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #119

*cigar falls out of mouth in astonished delight* MisterP Jun 2013 #64

Democrats that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #68

Alas it's not, and has never been, about Snowden nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #70

So you are right and that's the end of it, right? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #77

When this poster waves goodbye to you you'll know you're on ignore BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #80

Some things are just true. sibelian Jun 2013 #123

Then those things should stand up to an examination of the facts, right? nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #177

Apparently ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #192

That is your opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #190

Since you have Caretha Jun 2013 #194

I, first found and posted on DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #196

you are so sure of my race Caretha Jun 2013 #197

Based on this comment ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #199

correct me if I'm wrong Caretha Jun 2013 #200

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #201

That is very funny Caretha Jun 2013 #202

Do you normally smile ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #203

There is so much weird crap going on this thread Number23 Jun 2013 #182

There's an up side. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #183

lol Well true, there is that! The OP and another person seem to lovingly stroke their ignore lists Number23 Jun 2013 #185

ODS ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #193

Right on, Nadin! DemoTex Jun 2013 #71

Well you and I have something in common, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #75

10-4 DemoTex Jun 2013 #88

..... madfloridian Jun 2013 #74

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #86

Want to hear something funny? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #90

I tried to read that. I really did. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #92

. Rex Jun 2013 #94

K&R LittleBlue Jun 2013 #95

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #102

Can you please post a link to a DU post that claims Obama is god. tridim Jun 2013 #104

Actually you know what nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #105

So no link to a DU post claiming Obama is God. Check. tridim Jun 2013 #107

Nope, won't take the bait nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #110

Bait? I'm wondering why you posted a myth as fact. tridim Jun 2013 #116

Nope, won't take your bait nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #117

I always wonder what a socicety would look like bigtree Jun 2013 #118

Once again, excellent nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #121

not 'frustration' (I'm certain, to your chagrin) bigtree Jun 2013 #133

you are being silly Caretha Jun 2013 #195

They will post 100 saying Obama is dog...that's good enough for the bashers uponit7771 Jun 2013 #108

Cool story Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #109

Yep, strawman overexaggeration treestar Jun 2013 #111

Not from DU, but RZM Jun 2013 #129

Are any other DUers as confused as I am? OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #114

I must admit... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #115

you 'personalized' this thread in the first two paragraphs, Nadin bigtree Jun 2013 #120

more bait nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #122

you've cast those who disagree with you as 'baiters' bigtree Jun 2013 #132

now now, you don't want to end up on the "iggy list"! dionysus Jun 2013 #143

Same exact technique was used by another group nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #146

stick to the issues and avoid characterizing the motives of folks who bother to respond to you bigtree Jun 2013 #147

On this issue, they can't and they seem to know that the facts don't support them. stevenleser Jun 2013 #170

Asking you questions is NOT BAITING YOU. Why start the damn OP if you're just going Number23 Jun 2013 #184

"Americans are cowards, at least a good percentage" OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #125

The attacks started by those who attacked anyone who didnt think the sky was falling from the stevenleser Jun 2013 #155

One show I won't listen to. Good. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #163

Doesnt work Nadin. There are lots of articles like this one in 2006 in USA Today stevenleser Jun 2013 #165

I know, I know it's a fracking piece of paper. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #167

The ACLU? I quote them. I know, you can't handle the facts here. Like all the rest on your side. stevenleser Jun 2013 #168

Facts, you would not know them if they hit you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #169

I know the history already, it's in the transcript from my show. The facts are against you. stevenleser Jun 2013 #171

Thank you for this rational post. n/t zappaman Jun 2013 #164

A lot of this goes wayyyyyyyy back... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #178

Shorter OP: everyone who disagrees with me hates freedom. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #126

You know what DU needs? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #156

Kind of like Facebook friend recommendations in reverse. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #157

Yup ... People who hate you also hate ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #159

K & R AzDar Jun 2013 #127

Too bad we dont have such lovely worded posts on the perils of a GOP takeover of this country. DCBob Jun 2013 #128

An the less evilism post nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #130

If you cant see the obvious differences.. DCBob Jun 2013 #131

On matters of spying on the American people, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #134

Or rather..... Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #148

+1 Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #142

K&R JDPriestly Jun 2013 #150

Kick and Rec LiberalLovinLug Jun 2013 #153

They are not left, or right, or cons nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #154

Stalinists?? Sure you don't mean Nazis? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #158

What we actually have here Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #173

+1 DCBob Jun 2013 #180

I don't consider anyone felix_numinous Jun 2013 #174

Well, we are now a corporatist state nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #175

With a lot of help unfortunately felix_numinous Jun 2013 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #181

Nadin, you made a good few points but where are the links akbacchus_BC Jun 2013 #205

Re-read the paragraph nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #210

Bulls eye. nt PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #208