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In reply to the discussion: If it's not racism, then what is it? [View all]Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)172. Well for one thing FAKING accusations of racism are not going to do any good, NOBODY believes that -
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NOBODY!! Not when it comes to a progressive group of people who we all know would react just the same over almost any mainstream Democratic Party leader who managed to make it to the White House at the end of an utterly reactionary period coupled with an economic meltdown and elected with a massive overwhelming mandate for major change. .Perhaps some people have unrealistic expectations and had actually imagined that an Obama presidency would mean the end of Wall Street dominance over our political and economic system. Perhaps some people actually imagined that that the lobbyist of corporate power would be tossed out the door and ordinary working people would now be taking charge and running the ship of state. No doubt some people believed that the days when insurance companies ran the health care system were coming to an end and we would now have a healthcare system driven not by profiteering - but by satisfying the needs of people and building a society like every other advanced democracy where sickness would never again mean financial ruin. . No doubt some imagined that we be launching a new war on poverty with sweeping programs to stop the slide into an endlessly increasing gap between the haves and have-nots. No doubt some imagined the White House would aggressively be pushing a program of reindustrializing America - attempting to restore our country to the days when good paying unionized industrial jobs were abundant. Clearly some thought that in total reversal of the Bush era neoconservative foreign policy - America would now turn completely from this unsustainable global military empire that has for so long dominated our the policy thinking of both parities as our resources seem to disappear into this endless pit. For sure some naively imagined that the Obama presidency would mean a fundamental change on how the United States deals with issues of lasting peace and stability in the Middle East.
I never had such allusions so I am not so disappointed. And though I can understand how it happened. Though I do grasp the pressure any President would be under to increase rather than decrease the intelligence systems, security networks and surveillance capabilities. I can imagine that the President might have been concerned about how this could get out of hand - in an atmosphere where he is constantly dogged by accusations of being soft on terrorism - he is under constant pressure to prove that he even more aggressive than his predecessors in minimizing the risk of terror - I was still a little surprised - that he allowed to be put in place a network much more expansive than we previously had even under the Bush Administration - a network that he may never abuse himself - but offers to any future head of government the tools for totalitarianism. I thought a Constitutional scholar with a progressive academic background would have not allowed such a thing to be developed under his watch to the extent that it was with such chillingly dangerous potential.
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Well, that's certainly a lot of things people seem to disagree with Obama about.
sibelian
Jun 2013
#1
It takes a thicker skin than ever to be on the DU. But it's still my favorite site.
NYC_SKP
Jun 2013
#2
legitimate criticism of obama and his policies is neither "hater" nor "racist". Oddly enough
msongs
Jun 2013
#3
lol MADem, sometimes I SWEAR you must be black. At least a little bit on the inside
Number23
Jun 2013
#25
It might have something to do with the tone and frequency of the attacks.
Liberal Veteran
Jun 2013
#201
There were/are a couple of rapists here on DU, so why would we be surprised if there are racists? n/
Whisp
Jun 2013
#8
so, after an absence you just couldn't resist when you saw the "they must be racists!" OP
quinnox
Jun 2013
#11
I think there are a couple of problems re. Obama and his opponents here
BeyondGeography
Jun 2013
#12
Etc? Etc. like Skip Gates, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Eric Dyson, Al Sharpton, Tom Joyner
MADem
Jun 2013
#167
since your op is, at least to some degree, a response to mine, I'd like to respond
cali
Jun 2013
#22
The OP asks "What is the driving force behind the constant criticism of Obama"
Maedhros
Jun 2013
#24
The constant critics who never give Obama credit are ratfuckers, Greens, Cynics or ideologues.
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#28
I suppose the fact that my 3/5 of a person great-grandfather and great grandmother were slaves.....
DeSwiss
Jun 2013
#35
Being counted as 3/5s wasn't even the worst thing the Constitution inflicted on your ancestors
MNBrewer
Jun 2013
#42
Yes, don't you know if you complain about any of these things you are a racist?
OrwellwasRight
Jun 2013
#233
Gee, if it's irrational to attack chained cpi, potential approval of the keystone pipeline, etc, etc
stupidicus
Jun 2013
#33
Consider being courteous and not hijacking this thread with your nonsense. n/t
ProSense
Jun 2013
#49
this is how bad it is, it's not enough to criticize Obama , they go after anyone who likes him
JI7
Jun 2013
#135
She links to her own threads because they often have links to things like, you know ARTICLES
Number23
Jun 2013
#291
Your problem is that you do not think someone can be extremely disappointed in Obama....
Logical
Jun 2013
#57
I swear you have an issue where you are so attached or fascinated with Obama that any complaint...
Logical
Jun 2013
#68
What are you talking about? I defended her BS. If you want to defend her then do it. Otherwise....
Logical
Jun 2013
#103
No one on the DU, I hope, cares what color any of us are. Maybe I am naive. But I have never...
Logical
Jun 2013
#166
It was inferred that I was a racist for making a similar comment during the 2012 election
Puzzledtraveller
Jun 2013
#257
A lot of people here didn't start paying attention to politics until Bush...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2013
#77
The dorks of DU were attacking Pelosi in the same manner before President Obama took office.
Kolesar
Jun 2013
#165
In a democracy it is the reponsiibility of the people to hold its public servants accountable.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#136
That's what I'd call a great example of the perfect being the enemy of the good.
Liberal Veteran
Jun 2013
#206
Agreed. It does seem that some folks pounce on any and everything to tear down Obama.
Liberal Veteran
Jun 2013
#174
Those who engage in irrational attacks know damned well you weren't talking about criticism alone.
redqueen
Jun 2013
#225
Who are you to determine which criticisms are "irrational" and which are not?
OrwellwasRight
Jun 2013
#254
Well for one thing FAKING accusations of racism are not going to do any good, NOBODY believes that -
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#172
You foils are like Republicans everywhere: experts on Benghazi, birth certificates, Florida recount
Kolesar
Jun 2013
#179
Your reply is eloquent and well-stated, but I can't share in the being sour on him.
Liberal Veteran
Jun 2013
#241
oh for fuck sake can't you see it's not racism it"s RIGhT WING BULLSHIT he's promulgating!
boilerbabe
Jun 2013
#213
Sad little show going on in this thread. Quite amazing that the gays get the first strike...
Safetykitten
Jun 2013
#245
Clinton DID get a free pass. He pushed for and signed DOMA, then went all over the south
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#293
as long as my son is being cheated out of a good education I will criticize Obama and every other
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#231
a search reveals that what you cast as some everyday occurrence actually happened about
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#261
Hi, I am going to post something causing something and I do not know the answer...
Safetykitten
Jun 2013
#238
the criticisms from the left are the exact opposite of those of Fox News and based on substance
yurbud
Jun 2013
#265
Imagine. A poster with an offensive stereotype for a user name accusing people of being racist
forestpath
Jun 2013
#272
I read it. And it's a nice wordy bit of deflection in the guise of "asking" a question
forestpath
Jun 2013
#284
If it's not racism or hate (see ProSense's OP), then it must be The Black Tax
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#290
What you're describing here is called The Black Tax. Plain and simple.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#294