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pnwmom

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103. I absolutely know what it means. Do you?

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:23 AM

Jun 2013

Anyone can fall off the wagon at any time. That's why the term is "recovering" and not "recovered." Sobriety is a lifelong process.

I wasn't trying to smear him. But he was supposedly going double the speed limit in the middle of the night. For anyone in this situation, a toxicology report would be in order. Until then, I'm not going to encourage any conspiracy theories, no matter how popular they seem to be these days.

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Hours Before His Death Michael Hastings Contacted Wikileaks Attorney Said FBI Was Investigating Him [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP

Ruh roh ..... Lil Missy Jun 2013 #1

I didn't want to laugh but I did. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #2

Shame. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #44

I laughed at the Scooby Doo reference. I have been very upset about Hastings death all day... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #78

I know exactly what you mean. eShirl Jun 2013 #113

Good question I rarely come here anymore Mosaic Jun 2013 #205

Jungle drums pscot Jun 2013 #3

Hit job? blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #4

No idea. Wikileaks also tweeted this but the meaning is unclear to me Catherina Jun 2013 #6

Non-public would = private. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2013 #19

Thanks Charlie, Looks like we both got nothing Catherina Jun 2013 #22

"Non public complication?" MADem Jun 2013 #25

All good questions Catherina Jun 2013 #52

It could be an "inside baseball" swipe at his wife. MADem Jun 2013 #72

The 'non public' tweet preceded the claim about the FBI. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #74

Odd phrasing, though. Why not "work-related?" MADem Jun 2013 #76

Wikileaks is trolling for attention, ghoulishly so. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #79

Hastings didn't contact the Wikileaks attorney? Got a link to that? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #100

Suggesting a link between that and his death is trolling geek tragedy Jun 2013 #120

It's not just trolling..it's an utter violation of Michael Hasting's privacy rights. msanthrope Jun 2013 #185

Wikileaks doesn't believe in anyone's right to privacy. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #187

I'm trying to find out if she is practicing in the US. I will file a bar complaint if she is. If msanthrope Jun 2013 #190

If someone screams out loud Aerows Jun 2013 #191

That was Ken Starr's reasoning when he tried to violate Vince Foster's civil rights after he msanthrope Jun 2013 #193

Who ended up on the right side of the ruling? n/t Aerows Jun 2013 #194

The dead. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #195

Color me totally confused Catherina Jun 2013 #86

"...has a very serious non-public complication" ReRe Jun 2013 #94

You're probably right. I hope they follow up soon Catherina Jun 2013 #101

Well, it still could mean anything--absolutely anything. MADem Jun 2013 #111

Or, given his acknowledged history, maybe he was drunk or high. pnwmom Jun 2013 #82

Here come the smears. How despicable. That was 13 years ago and he was a 'recovering' alcolic sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #102

I absolutely know what it means. Do you? pnwmom Jun 2013 #103

Maybe he received an emergency phone call that someone was in trouble? Maybe someone was sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #106

You're right that this is an almost unimaginable loss for everyone who cared for him pnwmom Jun 2013 #107

Given the FBI's recent history, I wouldn't want to be questioned ... alone. Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #128

There's nothing like old history, say the Federal Witness Protection Program 1975... Octafish Jun 2013 #189

Yeah that's it, he was drunk or high. Good grief. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #152

Could have been. zappaman Jun 2013 #162

I am guessing you hate the idea of conspiracies. Just a guess. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #171

You appear to love them. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #184

I think that some deserve investigation. Democracy is all about openness. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #204

That's the most common reason for driving like he did in the middle of the night. nt pnwmom Jun 2013 #183

Are you kidding me? Stop it! nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #5

Edited. Nevermind. I see I was mistaken to give you the benefit of the doubt. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #7

I can't believe you said that... zeemike Jun 2013 #68

Gawker ( I think...am on my phone) has an alleged video of the crash...and it is FIERY. AzDar Jun 2013 #8

Did you watch it? Catherina Jun 2013 #10

I did watch it... it appears to be just after the accident, he apparently hit a tree. AzDar Jun 2013 #12

In one of the videos you can see what looks like a fire hydrant gushing in the median FarCenter Jun 2013 #15

I just watched the video. Something's not right. A witness said the car was going ~100 mph Catherina Jun 2013 #16

Can a car be rigged so it accelerates uncontrollably? reformist2 Jun 2013 #28

Probably....perhaps even by remote control. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #40

Ask Toyota/Lexus. EOTE Jun 2013 #85

Yes Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #129

Wrong zappaman Jun 2013 #69

Yeah. It's the usual utter crap DevonRex Jun 2013 #81

Given that the FBI has exonerated all 150 agents who've shot and killed, Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #130

Plausible Denial Octafish Jun 2013 #146

Yikes! They've got a manual for that? Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #198

"But not this guy" who once crashed a car after driving drunk geek tragedy Jun 2013 #91

'when i was 19'. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #95

14 years ago when he was 19. Wow, the smears didn't take long to start. And just what does sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #110

We're talking about explanations as to how this happened. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #121

No 'we're' not. IF we were speculating as to how this happened, we would sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #168

Give us a break. stopbush Jun 2013 #138

Do you notice how some want so badly to dismiss events like this quickly. They immediately go to rhett o rick Jun 2013 #156

Do you notice how badly some want this to be more than an accident zappaman Jun 2013 #160

I want to keep an open mind. He had important, powerful enemies that have unlimited budgets rhett o rick Jun 2013 #170

I liked his work fine. zappaman Jun 2013 #172

Personally I think it was most likely an accident. And if I didnt, I wouldnt try to shut down the rhett o rick Jun 2013 #177

I have little doubt that Snowden would've met with an untimely end, Marr Jun 2013 #164

If Snowden is smart he will keep some important information for insurance. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #167

You dont sound like a fan of Mr. Hastings. Even so I would hope you could show some respect. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #157

Really? zappaman Jun 2013 #158

It was gawker--you see a guy from the neighborhood with a garden hose, the FD hadn't gotten there MADem Jun 2013 #21

Not to seem like an expert... Cracklin Charlie Jun 2013 #27

SMH. We are all Glenn Beck now. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #9

No shit. Disgusting. nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #11

You speak well enough for yourself. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #65

We're not on tv or publishing speculation as fact to the general public. Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #131

The timing on this is too coincidental for my taste Hydra Jun 2013 #13

I hope we find something out from wikileaks or the other people he was working with n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #18

At what poit in his career would the timing NOT be "too coincidental"? arcane1 Jun 2013 #30

Well, considering he was writing against the NSA program Hydra Jun 2013 #35

I saw an article expressing those exact same thoughts. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #36

You're not supposed to post Jones stuff here, jsyk n/t Hydra Jun 2013 #41

I'm not posting it for its merits, I'm pointing out the parallels between geek tragedy Jun 2013 #42

Regardless, that sort of thing starts flame wars, which is why you should get rid of that Hydra Jun 2013 #46

Um, wha? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #48

you're posting it to smear by association. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #96

I wonder if the "Clinton Body Count" guys post at DU. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #14

I wouldn't doubt it Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #29

While I understand some folks are trying to imply nefarious deeds by the gov't does it make sense okaawhatever Jun 2013 #17

Michael Hastings did get pretty radical in that TYT clip, 4:20 - 5:00. reformist2 Jun 2013 #20

I hadn't listened to the whole thing when I posted. Just did now. You may be on to something Catherina Jun 2013 #32

These military guys pride themselves on being men of their word, too. reformist2 Jun 2013 #39

I know. That's what you get for pursuing the truth and writing it Catherina Jun 2013 #60

Obama did it, in the front seat, with a candlestick. Whisp Jun 2013 #23

From naive incompetent to evil spying mastermind CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jun 2013 #50

Apologies, Catherina. Whisp Jun 2013 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jun 2013 #97

No you do treestar Jun 2013 #87

Let's just say I wouldn't put it past the feds to do something like cutting brake lines... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #24

Hey, you keep your calm and patient reasoning OUT of this!! arcane1 Jun 2013 #31

I find your irresponsible conspiracy mongering to be without honor. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #34

I truly hope you're not a vegetarian. Or a non-smoker. Or a teetotaler. EOTE Jun 2013 #90

Funny how how some presume conspiracy without proof, as long as it justifies still_one Jun 2013 #151

Wisest not to put anything past anyone. Can't wait to hear what the wikileaks lawyers shares n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #45

Which is a really stupid way to kill someone jberryhill Jun 2013 #54

There have been a few who have gone down in small planes Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #61

Which is even a stupider way to kill someone Major Nikon Jun 2013 #123

expensive Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #197

Cut his brake lines? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #77

PLONK! nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #80

It's not necessary anymore. They've got Boston brakes now. Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #199

OH FUCK Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #26

Careful, you'll pull a muscle stretching like that n/t Cal Carpenter Jun 2013 #33

I'm not saying anyone here is doing that Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #53

People are only hinting at it here, probably cuz they know they'll get PPR'd geek tragedy Jun 2013 #73

You have a theory? Hydra Jun 2013 #37

Ya..I have a theory regarding his death Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #38

Yup, and that's certainly a possiblity. Hydra Jun 2013 #43

Bingo! We have a winner! stopbush Jun 2013 #62

I predict this to be the next outrage treestar Jun 2013 #88

are you saying........ gopiscrap Jun 2013 #49

the government? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #63

At 4 am, just hours after contacting a lawyer about being investigated by the FBI, DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #51

Apparently it's legit if you don't ask any questions Hydra Jun 2013 #55

Is that the deal? Catherina Jun 2013 #58

I agree with Daniel, the truth ALWAYS comes out Hydra Jun 2013 #59

Same here. That's why I wish Wikileaks would hurry up with it Catherina Jun 2013 #66

Ya, I saw it earlier Hydra Jun 2013 #70

These times are getting too complicated Catherina Jun 2013 #92

Er, any brand new car is going to burst into flames if your run over a fire hydrant, rip open stopbush Jun 2013 #64

It's actually ridiculous *not* to be suspicious in this case. reformist2 Jun 2013 #71

And it's actually ridiculous not to wonder about alcohol or drugs pnwmom Jun 2013 #84

No-one has discounted he may have been under the influence... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #93

Upthread that's called "smearing". OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #139

Well, until we hear more its a possibility. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #153

Absolutely. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #154

Whatever helps you get through the day. stopbush Jun 2013 #137

That same videographer (who was out following leads on Justin Beiber's misdeeds, oddly enough) MADem Jun 2013 #98

No answers to your questions but thanks for posting that n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #108

he was in Los Angeles for Work JI7 Jun 2013 #112

Actually, 3 times the speed limit... zappaman Jun 2013 #200

Anyone think James Gandolfini's Death is connected to this ? and Obama just happens to be in Europe JI7 Jun 2013 #56

you're right. oh nose what's next still_one Jun 2013 #75

Go to sleep... to much of a good thing is great if the AM is cool alittlelark Jun 2013 #83

LOL treestar Jun 2013 #89

A tropical storm born in Kenya BainsBane Jun 2013 #116

Don't forget the Kennedy Assassination BainsBane Jun 2013 #115

Pfthhh cliffordu Jun 2013 #57

Tues night, when I got home... ReRe Jun 2013 #99

It wouldn't be exactly a shock Catherina Jun 2013 #109

sometimes people have car veganlush Jun 2013 #104

do we have to stoop to the veganlush Jun 2013 #105

So now Obama is murdering journalists? BainsBane Jun 2013 #114

i smell straw. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #117

So what is the point then? BainsBane Jun 2013 #118

more straw. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #119

Evidently that was too complicated of a question BainsBane Jun 2013 #122

not complicated at all, just irrelevant & diversionary. like straw men are. as is the implied HiPointDem Jun 2013 #124

Expecting someone to read your mind BainsBane Jun 2013 #125

I told you exactly what was on my mind. The OP has nothing to do with Obama. The OP is HiPointDem Jun 2013 #126

Thanks HiPointDem. This new tactic is quite something. The investment too. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #135

Incredibly LAME. Nowhere is Obama mentioned or implied.YOU make this about Obama Catherina Jun 2013 #133

Lots of anger and no point made BainsBane Jun 2013 #134

Sorry it's not one comment. You've done this sort of thing before to other people Catherina Jun 2013 #136

Wow, so thin skinned BainsBane Jun 2013 #181

Are you trying to start a discussion with that remark? Or start a flamewar. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #159

I was trying to figure out what the point of the OP was BainsBane Jun 2013 #161

"many others"? Show me the post that ties this with Obama? Some here are interested in what really rhett o rick Jun 2013 #175

Govt., Obama, what's the difference? BainsBane Jun 2013 #178

Sorry. The Wikileaks story stinks. Hastings had worked for Newsweek and had been an editor struggle4progress Jun 2013 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #132

Vince Foster.... Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #140

Another complicated and vague string of posts. Would anyone be kind enough to give a ladjf Jun 2013 #141

Summary: Obama BAD! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #143

The death of a journalist who covered stories people didn't want him to cover Catherina Jun 2013 #147

Thanks. nt ladjf Jun 2013 #207

If Jennifer Robinson was a lawyer in this country, she'd be disbarred for msanthrope Jun 2013 #142

please delete the empty space reorg Jun 2013 #196

I will do so. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #202

A short list of journalists who asked too many questions who ended up suddenly dead... Octafish Jun 2013 #144

Thanks, this is a keeper. Please consider adding Aaron Swartz to your list Catherina Jun 2013 #148

Thank you. Will do. Mr. Swartz was a truth seeker and truth teller. Octafish Jun 2013 #186

Mine too Catherina Jun 2013 #192

Yes but they all used drugs, drank alcohol and drove too fast. And anymore conspiracy talk rhett o rick Jun 2013 #163

A perfectly sulfurous destiny, indeed. Octafish Jun 2013 #188

I know that authoritarians dont like whistle-blowers, protestors, conspiracy theorists, liberals, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #203

Proof? allin99 Jun 2013 #145

You need to ask their lawyer. Catherina Jun 2013 #149

lawyers are liars, he's full of it, there's no proof. allin99 Jun 2013 #150

But we are keeping an open mind arent we??? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #166

I think there are a lot of questions ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #155

Definitely. I hope we get some answers over the next few days, weeks Catherina Jun 2013 #165

I don't discount anything at this point. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #169

Me neither. Blind Trust is not, has never been, the name of this game Catherina Jun 2013 #173

Splitting the Sky died in March 2013 xiamiam Jun 2013 #174

I do wish snot Jun 2013 #176

I didn't know Michael Hastings, but the YT clip makes me want to learn more about him. pacalo Jun 2013 #179

MIC Damage Control Unit 4 to NSA Strawman 6, do you copy? Zorra Jun 2013 #180

You're not kidding Catherina Jun 2013 #182

If you're not disturbing the comfortable, you're not doing it right Hydra Jun 2013 #201

Thanks Hydra, That's how I feel about it too lol n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #206