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In reply to the discussion: Yet Another NSA Program Raises Questions About Obama's Statements to Charlie Rose [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)43. This makes no sense to me:
"Then, what the NSA can do is it can query that database to see did this number pop up?
Why do they need a data base of people's phone #s to do this? Why can't they just use the telephone book? People can do reverse searches with phone numbers. What is meant by 'to see if the number pops up?' Of course it will pop up. People don't get phones for decoration purposes, they USE them.
And before anyone says 'but they can see who was called, at what times etc'. A number is useless without knowing who owns it. So presumably if they have a number they will want to identify the person. They can do that by using the reverse phone number system, then they can get a warrant to look at that person's phone records and they will have all the info on who and when and what time and where those calls were made.
This program, imo, is NOT to catch terrorists, and if this is how they really think they can do that, then they are just plain stupid. It is for something else. And I suspect it has something to do with MONEY.
Why do they need a data base of people's phone #s to do this? Why can't they just use the telephone book? People can do reverse searches with phone numbers. What is meant by 'to see if the number pops up?' Of course it will pop up. People don't get phones for decoration purposes, they USE them.
And before anyone says 'but they can see who was called, at what times etc'. A number is useless without knowing who owns it. So presumably if they have a number they will want to identify the person. They can do that by using the reverse phone number system, then they can get a warrant to look at that person's phone records and they will have all the info on who and when and what time and where those calls were made.
This program, imo, is NOT to catch terrorists, and if this is how they really think they can do that, then they are just plain stupid. It is for something else. And I suspect it has something to do with MONEY.
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Yet Another NSA Program Raises Questions About Obama's Statements to Charlie Rose [View all]
leveymg
Jun 2013
OP
We at least deserve not to be further confused by contradictory official statements.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#2
Or, perhaps, he understands it so well that he can state facts like a lawyer - selectively,
leveymg
Jun 2013
#5
I think Obama was parsing words as instructed and will claim that this wasn't "listening" to calls
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#7
What's the importance of whether the NSA keeps voice and email content, or just metadata?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#8
Here's the rub: Sec. 702(e) requires the NSA to minimize US person data - they aren't. It's illegal
leveymg
Jun 2013
#58
Yes - LinkedIn, the job networking site, contains many resumes that reference these programs
leveymg
Jun 2013
#12
No, I'm not conflating. But, Obama's statement is confusing as it seems to say that voice content
leveymg
Jun 2013
#13
No. The data is being collected as part of 2015 but retained for 702. That's illegal.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#15
You are misreading the information and taking the President's statements out of context. n/t
ProSense
Jun 2013
#16
Explain that, please. I've provided the context because the context makes it clear he's
leveymg
Jun 2013
#17
There are also "exigent circumstances" that give them another week to obtain a warrant.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#57
Bill Binney says it's based in profiling and terrorism potential scoring software.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#74
I have to agree with about 99% of that. However, they have much more than metadata on which to
leveymg
Jun 2013
#77
this is the person that was measuring that bush droned more people to protect their hero
Monkie
Jun 2013
#47
Acton also said something about the consequences of failure to learn from history.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#29
exactly, to think that a "nerd" like snowden, and a lawyer like greenwald are stupid
Monkie
Jun 2013
#48
Ths OP is nonsense, but people are determined to make up stuff to call Obama a liar.
ProSense
Jun 2013
#54
You had your chance to argue that last night, and failed. Unless you bring any new facts or
leveymg
Jun 2013
#59
So assuming he is telling the truth, this 'collection' of theirs would be useless and the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#45
I wish that Rose had asked: 1) Do you do reverse lookups? 2) Do you minimize the data? Because
leveymg
Jun 2013
#51
But if NUCLEON is only recording and storing phone calls that take place in other countries
Jarla
Jun 2013
#87
NSA analysts, and the MAINWAY/MARINA systems have access to virtually all gov't databanks
leveymg
Jun 2013
#89
"Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed." ~I.F. Stone
DeSwiss
Jun 2013
#83
The "Presidents credibility" was in doubt from the get go with his appointments
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#91