Former law abiding gun owner shoots wife over dinner

[AtheistCrusader]

240. No, still no correlation. For all your noise about me not understanding correlation...

And keep trotting out 'ignorance' and 'stupidity' and slinging it at me after your inability to read your own source earlier.

"Respondents with firearms in the home were no more likely to report suicidal thoughts, plans or attempts, but if they had a suicidal plan, it was much more likely to involve firearms. The higher rates of suicide among gun owners and their families cannot be explained by higher rates of suicidal behavior, but can be explained by easy access to a gun."

This has nothing to do with your claim. I agree with this statement, but it does not speak to whether the state having GSBC's alone, leads to fewer guns in fewer homes.

"We analyzed the relationship of gun availability and suicide among differing age groups across the 9 US regions. Levels of gun ownership are highly correlated with suicide rates across all age groups, even after controlling for lifetime major depression and serious suicidal thoughts"

Again, nothing to do with whether GSBC's lead to lower rates of possession in the home.

"We analyzed data from the Second Injury Control and Risk Survey, a 2001-2003 representative telephone survey of U.S. households. Of over 9,000 respondents, 7% reported past-year suicidal thoughts, and 21% of these had a plan. Respondents with firearms in the home were no more likely to report suicidal thoughts, plans or attempts, but if they had a suicidal plan, it was much more likely to involve firearms. The higher rates of suicide among gun owners and their families cannot be explained by higher rates of suicidal behavior, but can be explained by easy access to a gun."

Same. Nothing about a lack of GSBC's increasing the number of homes with a gun.

"This editorial in an issue of the flagship public health journal devoted entirely to veteran suicide emphasizes the importance of the availability of firearms in determining whether suicide attempts prove fatal."

Same.


You keep saying A is true because B-Z is true. B-Z, I agree, are all true or mostly true statements. We're not even really opponents on the Gun Control issue, honestly. But none of those facts in B-Z suggest anything at all about A.

You simply assume that GSBC's lead to a lower rate of gun ownership/guns present in fewer homes. And I challenge this because I see no mechanism here. I see no reason to suspect most consumers at a gun show don't already have multiple guns, or cannot pass a background check. I see no reason to suspect that people who go to gun shows that cannot pass a background check are likely to commit suicide. etc. What is your mechanism? Why do you believe that gun show background checks correlates to a lower rate of gun ownership per household?

You have to hit first time buyers, at a gun show, unable to purchase a firearm from a dealer with a background check, AND likely to attempt suicide to have any accompanying numbers to show for it.