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giftedgirl77

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68. Not really, that is what is so funny about the entire situation

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:43 AM

Jun 2013

While everyone is screaming that the program is TOP Secret in the last few days I have found out how the courts are appointed and aligned, and FISA isn't a classified document, neither is the ECPA. It's a little different for me because I am JAG and have worked in Intell units but the other day I wrote a paper on here just strictly outlining the facts of these programs because there is sooooo much misinformation being spilled. I am 100% an analytical person, and while I know there nothing is 100% I will not just throw our laws out the window & assume they are being violated by everyone.

This was just an info paper I did, you can take it or leave it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023044289

This is the link you saw on the other page regarding the FISC

https://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/

This isn't as big of a secret as everyone was making it seem.

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Statistics on phone calls, text messages, emails,etc. [View all] warrior1 Jun 2013 OP

Not only are they listening and reading, they're storing all that somewhere. randome Jun 2013 #1

your welcome warrior1 Jun 2013 #3

They will be storing it here soon Go Vols Jun 2013 #8

So, tell me how the NSA manages to listen, read all this information, with a measly $20 million? FSogol Jun 2013 #2

Workers get paid in popcorn. HappyMe Jun 2013 #4

I should go work for the NSA, I listen to people's phone calls when in the grocery store. FSogol Jun 2013 #6

In the store, in the bar, HappyMe Jun 2013 #7

DUZY!!!!!!!!!!! dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #16

It's one hell of an If statement. In VBA. randome Jun 2013 #9

LOL Lucinda Jun 2013 #71

they don't. but they are able to sift it according to key words, targeted individuals & their HiPointDem Jun 2013 #13

Evidence they have done that without a warrant since the Bush administration? FSogol Jun 2013 #14

1 'warrant' = millions of 'sifts'. no different from the stasi tracking the movements and actions HiPointDem Jun 2013 #17

Hyperbole! It's not just for breakfast anymore! FSogol Jun 2013 #24

why don't you just tell me the difference between the stasi maintaining files on most of the HiPointDem Jun 2013 #25

Data versue Metadata. It is like worrying because the Stasti had a phone book. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #28

Cause who you talk to tells nothing about who you are... Pholus Jun 2013 #31

nothing to do with phone books. it's like the stasi having a record of everyone you contacted, HiPointDem Jun 2013 #33

if they get a warrant. FSogol Jun 2013 #35

'warrants' handed out by secret courts, just like the stasi. on information already on file. big HiPointDem Jun 2013 #45

the FISC warrant only giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #51

fisa clearly outlines that domestic data can be surveilled if connected to 'terrorists'. which is HiPointDem Jun 2013 #54

Source the 20 million number, please. Pholus Jun 2013 #30

LOL--he quoted $20 million but it went overbudget to $2 billion marions ghost Jun 2013 #34

I never said the building cost $20MM. That's the cost of the Prism program from FSogol Jun 2013 #36

For the data storage, 20 million seems reasonable. Pholus Jun 2013 #40

I'm not sure answers.com is a reliable source for 2 billion phone calls a day Jarla Jun 2013 #5

+1 its sourced to "ihazcheez" thats a credible source! n/t FreeState Jun 2013 #10

That number is actually low... snooper2 Jun 2013 #20

That's very possible Jarla Jun 2013 #22

In the 1960's and 1970's, the US Navy was doing that and more. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #11

I think it's impossible to listen to every piece of data that's out there warrior1 Jun 2013 #12

For a human, yes. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #15

They don't have to listen to it if they store it in a searchable database! Th1onein Jun 2013 #60

Millions of texts are being pored over by NSA analysts, as we speak. MineralMan Jun 2013 #18

Man that would be tedious. If only there were some kind of machine that could help... nt Pholus Jun 2013 #27

It is not that simple. MineralMan Jun 2013 #55

They don't listen to or read all that information, DiamondDog Jun 2013 #19

They don't listen to it, they do save it, for future reference. reformist2 Jun 2013 #21

Yottabytes in Utah marions ghost Jun 2013 #23

The first sentence is such unbelievable nonsense. FSogol Jun 2013 #26

A million exabytes = one yottabyte marions ghost Jun 2013 #43

So your contention is that they are actually storing basketballs in Utah? Pholus Jun 2013 #44

Yeah they've an indoor court in there for the Utah Jazz marions ghost Jun 2013 #47

Actually that whole analogy was strange... Pholus Jun 2013 #48

1 yottabyte = 500 Jacuzzis marions ghost Jun 2013 #59

No, to compare the storage size of a data center building to the physical size of a flashdrive is FSogol Jun 2013 #61

Really. Volume scaling arguments are past you? Not me. Pholus Jun 2013 #62

Do you have reading comprehension issue or just wanna rip someone who disagrees with you? FSogol Jun 2013 #63

Yes, that does seem to pass for reasoning in your world. Pholus Jun 2013 #64

LOL. That's what you got out of what I wrote? FSogol Jun 2013 #65

That's what you wrote. Pholus Jun 2013 #66

See my discussion on this. Pholus Jun 2013 #29

Informative post marions ghost Jun 2013 #32

Actually I completely overestimated Prism's size in that... Pholus Jun 2013 #41

What does the Cyber Command encompass--is that the 20 billion? marions ghost Jun 2013 #46

No the budget is classified, but the total intelligence budget is 80 billion Pholus Jun 2013 #49

OK thanks, obviously I didnt know how marions ghost Jun 2013 #58

Don't you realize what you've done? Savannahmann Jun 2013 #38

That Snowden was a bad neighbor? nt Pholus Jun 2013 #42

my brain hurts giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #37

Because it says on paper that they should not Savannahmann Jun 2013 #39

I'm not saying there isn't giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #50

Admisable in court Savannahmann Jun 2013 #52

Shit, I will never argue giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #53

It sounds to me like the intelligence agencies have interpreted the laws Jarla Jun 2013 #56

Why, because that is what someone is telling you based on what some guy told him? giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #57

You're right Jarla Jun 2013 #67

Not really, that is what is so funny about the entire situation giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #68

But the INTERPRETATION of those laws is subject to debate Jarla Jun 2013 #69

Ugh it's painful giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #70