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In reply to the discussion: When Men Hate Women: Femicide in Ciudad Juarez [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)202. now that I'm fully awake,
it was about stolen money, not having sex. If she gave a refund, he wouldn't have been acquitted. That does not mean I agree with that law, it is simply being accurate.
Now you claim there is proof that the the guns don't come from the US. That is NOT what the report says at all, nor does your graphic say that. It shows 87% of those that could be traced come from the US. The rest could not be traced. Is the concept really that difficult for you to understand?
Why couldn't they be traced? Why were only a small number given to the ATF to begin with? That is 87 percent of what was given to the ATF, not 87 percent of all guns. Most guns were not given to the ATF for tracing. Why?
Perhaps I should have been, and would have been at a better hour, to point out that they did not come from US gun stores or gun shows. "US origin" doesn't mean that much. Many of the grenades seized are US origin. No, you can't buy grenades and machine guns at gun shows.
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/08/atf_worries_about_mexican_drug.html
Back to the GAO report.
30,000 firearms were seized Mexican authorities in 2008.
Of these 30K:
7,200 were given to ATF for tracing.
4,000 could be traced
3,480 where shown to have come from the US
Evidence does, as soon as you provide it. When you do, it has to be good not from VPC or MAIG.
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k and r for this horrific story. I used to go to ciudad juarez years ago, when it was relatively
niyad
Jun 2013
#1
I would guess that NAFTA contributed to a flood of new female workers to Juarez...
antigone382
Jun 2013
#26
Do you have any evidence that the killers are Americans crossing the border for kicks?
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#16
Why are you making this a fight? Why does this conversation make you jump to being offended?
Squinch
Jun 2013
#41
I know - American CCW holders killing women and smuggling the bodies into Mexico
hack89
Jun 2013
#58
What percentage of guns did the Mexican goverment submit to the US government for tracing?
hack89
Jun 2013
#145
no, i get it and you are correct. its an attempt to define a protected class. i fight it often. nt
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#27
i think you might need or want a break from DU because your ability to read my mind
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#39
men are murdered 3-1 over women nationally. go bark up a different tree nt
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#44
so men killing men doesn't count. most sexist quote ive seen on DU. please stop making
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#48
Yeah, that has to do with the minor fact the serial killers are targeting women
BainsBane
Jun 2013
#32
Reading comprehension, much? The OP DOES mention men, but notes that their murders ARE NOT
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#42
If you would like to make an OP about the deaths of men in Juarez, which are primarily from the
Squinch
Jun 2013
#65
there is nothing stopping you from posting an article on the number of men killed, you know.
niyad
Jun 2013
#114
Most of the cartel's guns are smuggled in for countries that make real AK-47s.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#86
The ATF shows 87% came from the US, murder apologist corp. says 90% didn't come from US
BainsBane
Jun 2013
#138
Start your own thread, then. BTW: Serial sex murders are not the same category as other killings.
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#45
I don't think that illustrating concern for A denies in any way any additional concern for B.
LanternWaste
Jun 2013
#117
So it's OK for you to hijack a discussion about a serial killer to push a fight from another thread?
Squinch
Jun 2013
#126
In the other thread she referred to this thread to make her point. N/T
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2013
#165
its nice to see rational thought rewarded 6-0. DU never lets me down! nt
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#221