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In reply to the discussion: Yet Another NSA Program Raises Questions About Obama's Statements to Charlie Rose [View all]reusrename
(1,716 posts)72. I think the whole mechanism is automated.
From the Guardian Q&A:
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2) Can analysts listen to content of domestic calls without a warrant?
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... Even in the event of "warranted" intercept, it's important to understand the intelligence community doesn't always deal with what you would consider a "real" warrant like a Police department would have to, the "warrant" is more of a templated form they fill out and send to a reliable judge with a rubber stamp.
It makes sense, with thousands of these events happening all the time, that the system tabulates the information from the templated form they fill out into a separate database, and then this database is captured or "collected" under the next application for a warrant.
With thousands of these warrants being sought, they must repeat this process several times a day, or every three days at many different locations.
It is interesting to see how they weasel word everything they say about this program.
For a good example, they claim there has never been a "misuse" of this "robosigning" system. Of course not, compliance is completely computerized and automatic, no matter how the system is being abused. They have designed the system such that it is impossible to "misuse" it since each and every use is perfectly legal all around.
It really is exactly like the robosigning. The purpose of affidavits in the bankster cases was to help protect the rights of the borrower. It's exactly the same thing here.
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Yet Another NSA Program Raises Questions About Obama's Statements to Charlie Rose [View all]
leveymg
Jun 2013
OP
We at least deserve not to be further confused by contradictory official statements.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#2
Or, perhaps, he understands it so well that he can state facts like a lawyer - selectively,
leveymg
Jun 2013
#5
I think Obama was parsing words as instructed and will claim that this wasn't "listening" to calls
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#7
What's the importance of whether the NSA keeps voice and email content, or just metadata?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#8
Here's the rub: Sec. 702(e) requires the NSA to minimize US person data - they aren't. It's illegal
leveymg
Jun 2013
#58
Yes - LinkedIn, the job networking site, contains many resumes that reference these programs
leveymg
Jun 2013
#12
No, I'm not conflating. But, Obama's statement is confusing as it seems to say that voice content
leveymg
Jun 2013
#13
No. The data is being collected as part of 2015 but retained for 702. That's illegal.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#15
You are misreading the information and taking the President's statements out of context. n/t
ProSense
Jun 2013
#16
Explain that, please. I've provided the context because the context makes it clear he's
leveymg
Jun 2013
#17
There are also "exigent circumstances" that give them another week to obtain a warrant.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#57
Bill Binney says it's based in profiling and terrorism potential scoring software.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#74
I have to agree with about 99% of that. However, they have much more than metadata on which to
leveymg
Jun 2013
#77
this is the person that was measuring that bush droned more people to protect their hero
Monkie
Jun 2013
#47
Acton also said something about the consequences of failure to learn from history.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#29
exactly, to think that a "nerd" like snowden, and a lawyer like greenwald are stupid
Monkie
Jun 2013
#48
Ths OP is nonsense, but people are determined to make up stuff to call Obama a liar.
ProSense
Jun 2013
#54
You had your chance to argue that last night, and failed. Unless you bring any new facts or
leveymg
Jun 2013
#59
So assuming he is telling the truth, this 'collection' of theirs would be useless and the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#45
I wish that Rose had asked: 1) Do you do reverse lookups? 2) Do you minimize the data? Because
leveymg
Jun 2013
#51
But if NUCLEON is only recording and storing phone calls that take place in other countries
Jarla
Jun 2013
#87
NSA analysts, and the MAINWAY/MARINA systems have access to virtually all gov't databanks
leveymg
Jun 2013
#89
"Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed." ~I.F. Stone
DeSwiss
Jun 2013
#83
The "Presidents credibility" was in doubt from the get go with his appointments
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#91